TN: The Virtual Tasting #8 (December 3, 2020)

Jeff Grossman

Jeff Grossman
attendees: Don & Melissa, Jay, Jayson, Jeff, Lisa, Scott & Anne-Marie, Victor

Jay Begins

Wine J1 - Decanted yesterday for an hour before re-bottling. Silky, honeyed. "I'm loving the balance of floral and acidity" -Scott, "Peach pit with a little almond" -Meliisa, "Good stuff" -Victor, "Is it Gallo?" -Anne-Marie (there's one in every crowd). Riesling for sure but German or Austrian? We take a vote, Austrian by 3-to-1, but you can fool most of the people some of the time. Reveal: Selbach Oster 2012 Zeltinger Sonnenuhr Riesling Spatlese Feinherb "Ur-Alte Reben", 12%, the initial vintage of this bottling.

Wine J2 - Also double-decanted yesterday, this is candied, bubble-gum, someone says foie gras in the finish, "Soap" -Victor. Bleh. The nasal onslaught is easing up a bit as it sits in the glass. Don cleverly ventures that it's a sans-soufre Beaujolais... yes: Ducroux 2019 "Expectatia", 12.5%, I have no urge to buy this.

The Don Streak

Wine D1 - OK, that's Loire cab franc, "And quite aromatic!" -Jayson, "Like a walk in autumn woods" -Melissa, I know this wine and call it for Olga '89... and I'm close... it is Olga Raffault Chinon "Les Picasses" but not '89.

Wine DII - Tannins, lots of 'em. Wild dark black fruit. "Tomatoey in the nose" -Jayson. We like it. I wonder about a corky sort of whiff to it but Lisa says nix. We eventually stop guessing true-to-type (what would Don serve us?) and figure out that this is not a Loire wine. In fact, this is a merlot-heavy Bordeaux blend, with a touch of sweetness that leads us to the plateau of Pomerol but we don't guess the house: Chateau Le Gay Pomerol

Wine Dlll - We are not in France because this is obviously cal cab. It is noticeably plusher and riper than the preceding two wines with a bit of citrus and raspberry in there. Jay flips on his Don-Vision goggles and calls it for Laurel Glen... right-o: Laurel Glen Sonoma Mountain Cabernet Sauvignon.

=> The three wines are united by vintage: 1990.

Jay Math

Wine J3 - Once again ready to guess the drunk and not the drink, we're set for a patented Miller Burgundy Treat but this ain't that! This is quite old, with considerable brown mixed in the red, apparently more Patrick Stewart than Patrick Campbell. "Strawberry jam" -Melissa. That, and a whiff of VA, suggests we are in Italy (yes) and even in Piedmont (yes) but we need the reveal because there are so many old properties: Pod. Tre Torri (Marchesi della Traversagna) 1954 Spanna di Traversagna, 13%, Jay was this the Vecchi Riserva?

Wine J4 - This is port. Old port, "grass and green", caramel in the finish, not a sweet style however (so not Graham's), it is nice and in a style that Jay likes well, but there is a bit more alcoholic heat than I'd expect. Reveal: Warre's 1966 Vintage Port

=> And: 1954 + 1966 / 2 = 1960 so Happy Birthday to all the 1960 babies out there!

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I followed a few of the wines into the morrow:

J2 / Ducroux - nose continues to improve but the palate remains ghastly

D1 / Olga - classic Loire franc, leather and pomegranate and black plum (and teeny traces of Band-Aid and school paste faults)

DII / Pomerol - muscular still, old Tanzer TNs suggest this wine was always tough

Dlll / Laurel - Day 3: still some dark cran/pom fruit but a strong note of licorice has come up

J3 / Spanna - remains crisp, old but not oxidized, winey, scents of camphor, hazelnut, and leather, great bottle
 
Nice, these tastings are quite the event. Do you folks ever buy wines and hide them/not talk about them for the express purpose of one day blinding the others?!
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:

Jay was this the Vecchi Riserva?

Close, it is

1954
Spanna di Traversagna
Podere Tre Torri
Marchesi della Traversagna

Casa Vinicola
A. Vallana & Flio
Maggiora
Piemonte

Vecchia Riserva
Eredi Conte Canonico
Parrucconi
Italia

13%

There's also a lot of Italian text on the back label
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
Nice, these tastings are quite the event. Do you folks ever buy wines and hide them/not talk about them for the express purpose of one day blinding the others?!

Recently, yes for the Zoom group I'm in. We've been doing once-a-week tastings since the beginning of April. We now have a pretty good idea of what categories/regions are in the other folks' cellars. If I think I'm going to use one or more wines from recent purchases, I keep silent.

That doesn't necessarily mean we at all have a clue as to what some wines are when we taste them!
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:

Jay was this the Vecchi Riserva?

Close, it is

1954
Spanna di Traversagna
Podere Tre Torri
Marchesi della Traversagna

Casa Vinicola
A. Vallana & Flio
Maggiora
Piemonte

Vecchia Riserva
Eredi Conte Canonico
Parrucconi
Italia

13%

There's also a lot of Italian text on the back label
Thanks, Jay. I thought it would be, and I had surmised that it was an estate acquired some years before as part of Vallana's empire-building phase.

The back label is probably telling you how good this wine is.

Take pictures?
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
Nice, these tastings are quite the event. Do you folks ever buy wines and hide them/not talk about them for the express purpose of one day blinding the others?!
I served them Blatterle. What more do you want?
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
Nice, these tastings are quite the event. Do you folks ever buy wines and hide them/not talk about them for the express purpose of one day blinding the others?!
I served them Blatterle. What more do you want?

We don't talk about that.
 
back_label.jpg
 
originally posted by MarkS:
How are you folks always 100% on the grape varieties? Must be magic.
Lots of practice?

We don't drink spoofy wines?

(Anyway, I'm not 100%; I was "the most wrong" last time out.)
 
originally posted by MarkS:
How are you folks always 100% on the grape varieties? Must be magic.

Behind the Wizard’s curtain (from memory):

J1: Riesling on 1st guess by everyone. From there it was trickier and I was wrong but I think Victor guessed Germany, maybe even Mosel.
J2: Beaujolais (Gamay) by Don on second or third guess.
D1: Loire Cab Franc and maybe even Olga on first guess by everyone
D2: Lost count. It took a game of 20 Questions.
D3: Cali Cab on first guess by me. Jay nailed Laurel Glen on first guess of a producer.
J3: I guessed Italy right away but no idea of grape. I think someone may have said Barbera before we got to Nebbiolo by Jeff I believe.
J4: obviously Port
 
The hazards of relying on memory.

While everyone’s first guesses on #1 were Riesling Indidnt guess because I supplied the wine, and everyone but victor though Alsatian.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
back_label.jpg
Indeed, it says, "Hot damn, what a wine!" but with some curious particulars.

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Questo vino e prodotto con scelta qualite di uva Nebiolo denominata anche Spanna coltivata in Boca nella classica zona del Porfido, in vigneti di rara e particolore esposizione ad una quota di 400-500 metri s.l.m.

La fermentazione sotto stecca del mosto durata venti giorni, dopo una razionale pigiatura delle uve, ha dato a questo vino un colore rosso-bordeaux-rubino. La sua succesiva conservazione in fusti di rovere, prolungata per tre anni, lo ha arricchito di un delicato sapore e aromatico profumo. Imbottigliato, e stato onservato per anni in cantine poco luminose, alla temperatura di 12-14 G.c. disponendo le bottiglie in posizione coricata per favorire lo sviluppi di una sottile camicia sulla parete internale facendole ruotare di un terzo di giro ad ogu primavera.

La selezionata qualita delle uve e la produzione fatta secondo le tradizionali regole di cantina hanno dato al vino pregio e caratteristiche tali da renderlo idoneo anche ad un secolare invecchiamento.

Si consiglia di servirlo a temperatura di 17-18 G.c. dopo che la bottiglia e stata aperto almeno da un ora.

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This wine is produced with selected Nebiolo grapes also called Spanna grown in Boca in the classic area of ​​Porphyry, in vineyards of rare and particular exposure at an altitude of 400-500 meters above sea level.

The fermentation under submerged cap lasted twenty days, after a rational pressing of the grapes, gave this wine a red-burgundy-ruby color. Its subsequent storage in oak barrels, prolonged for three years, has enriched it with a delicate flavor and aromatic perfume. Bottled, it has been stored for years in dimly lit cellars, at a temperature of 12-14 C placing the bottles on their sides to favor the development of a thin jacket on the internal wall by rotating them a third of a turn each spring.

The selected quality of the grapes and the production made according to the traditional methods have given the wine such quality and characteristics as to make it suitable even for centuries-old aging.

It is recommended to serve it at a temperature of 17-18 C after the bottle has been opened for at least one hour.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
The hazards of relying on memory.

While everyone’s first guesses on #1 were Riesling Indidnt guess because I supplied the wine, and everyone but victor though Alsatian.

Fixed it.
 
"ha dato a questo vino un colore rosso-bordeaux-rubino. "

"gave this wine a red-burgundy-ruby color."

Machine translation is really an art! Bordeaux turns into Burgundy!
 
originally posted by Cole Kendall:
"ha dato a questo vino un colore rosso-bordeaux-rubino. "

"gave this wine a red-burgundy-ruby color."

Machine translation is really an art! Bordeaux turns into Burgundy!

Art or alchemy?!
 
originally posted by Cole Kendall:
"ha dato a questo vino un colore rosso-bordeaux-rubino. "

"gave this wine a red-burgundy-ruby color."

Machine translation is really an art! Bordeaux turns into Burgundy!
Not since lunch!
 
originally posted by Cole Kendall:
"ha dato a questo vino un colore rosso-bordeaux-rubino. "

"gave this wine a red-burgundy-ruby color."

Machine translation is really an art! Bordeaux turns into Burgundy!

Good catch; was too busy wondering what is a razionale pigiatura to notice.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
TN: The Virtual Tasting #8 (December 3, 2020)attendees: Don & Melissa, Jay, Jayson, Jeff, Lisa, Scott & Anne-Marie, Victor

Wine J2 - Also double-decanted yesterday, this is candied, bubble-gum, someone says foie gras in the finish, "Soap" -Victor. Bleh. The nasal onslaught is easing up a bit as it sits in the glass. Don cleverly ventures that it's a sans-soufre Beaujolais... yes: Ducroux 2019 "Expectatia", 12.5%, I have no urge to buy this.

I followed a few of the wines into the morrow:

J2 / Ducroux - nose continues to improve but the palate remains ghastly

Ducroux 2019 "Expectoratia"
 
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