CWD: What did you drink last night (or whenever)?

[VLM]

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
Friday and Saturday night we had:

Mount Eden Pinot Noir 2016 Santa Cruz Mountains. Purchased at the winery after a lovely visit. This, unfortunately, didn't show well. One note, and kind of sweet. Couldn't get past one glass. Not much better on day 2.

Domaine Fourrier Bourgogne Blanc 2019. This was young obviously but really enjoyable. I have a couple more that i'll let sleep a while.

Thibaud Boudignon Anjou Blanc 2019. A bit expensive for it's level perhaps but oh so good. Lovely chenin blanc with that wooly kind of mouth feel. Finished with nice length. the Savennieres from this producer are also terrific.

I really dig the Boudignon and 2019 seems like the best young ones I've yet tried (limited sample, admittedly). I actually think it is priced pretty fairly in context. The Savennieres start to push the price envelop for me.

Mount Eden Pinot is a bit of a bummer. This was a formative wine for me and a real benchmark. Like you, I've been pretty nonplussed the last couple times I've tried it.

 

[VLM]

Dry January, so recently nada.

 

[Jim Hanlon]

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
Friday and Saturday night we had:

Mount Eden Pinot Noir 2016 Santa Cruz Mountains. Purchased at the winery after a lovely visit. This, unfortunately, didn't show well. One note, and kind of sweet. Couldn't get past one glass. Not much better on day 2.

Domaine Fourrier Bourgogne Blanc 2019. This was young obviously but really enjoyable. I have a couple more that i'll let sleep a while.

Thibaud Boudignon Anjou Blanc 2019. A bit expensive for it's level perhaps but oh so good. Lovely chenin blanc with that wooly kind of mouth feel. Finished with nice length. the Savennieres from this producer are also terrific.

Mount Eden Pinot is a bit of a bummer. This was a formative wine for me and a real benchmark. Like you, I've been pretty nonplussed the last couple times I've tried it.

I think of Mount Eden Pinot as a 10+ year wine, and rarely open them earlier than that. We can't dismiss the effects of climate change, but otherwise Jeffrey Patterson has made the wine since 1981, so there's been consistency. I know he's a tinkerer, and has changed the amount of stem inclusion, for example. But the wines shouldn't really be fundamentally different. To me, the wines continue to have a savory orientation that I find attractive and rare in California Pinot.

 

[Larry Stein]

2009 Chablis "Montmains", Duplessis. My last '09 from them. Unlike most '09s, there was still a good amount of structure and acidity. However, I felt there wasn't enough fruit to stand up to that. Nice enough, but based on that and other Duplessis 09s, I'd be drinking them much sooner than later.

 

[Pavel Tchichikov]

Wait, there is something other than hand-crafted IPA worth drinking in this country?

Love several other beers, but only if they come with a transatlantic plane ticket.

 

[Jonathan Loesberg]

originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
CBD ( was: CWD )Wait, there is something other than hand-crafted IPA worth drinking in this country?

Love several other beers, but only if they come with a transatlantic plane ticket.

My nephew and his partner, who are beer aficionados, inform me that serious beer enthusiasts look upon IPAs as we do here on spoofed wine. I like them OK on the few occasions I drink beer or ale of any sort.

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Jim Hanlon:

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
Friday and Saturday night we had:

Mount Eden Pinot Noir 2016 Santa Cruz Mountains. Purchased at the winery after a lovely visit. This, unfortunately, didn't show well. One note, and kind of sweet. Couldn't get past one glass. Not much better on day 2.

Domaine Fourrier Bourgogne Blanc 2019. This was young obviously but really enjoyable. I have a couple more that i'll let sleep a while.

Thibaud Boudignon Anjou Blanc 2019. A bit expensive for it's level perhaps but oh so good. Lovely chenin blanc with that wooly kind of mouth feel. Finished with nice length. the Savennieres from this producer are also terrific.

Mount Eden Pinot is a bit of a bummer. This was a formative wine for me and a real benchmark. Like you, I've been pretty nonplussed the last couple times I've tried it.

I think of Mount Eden Pinot as a 10+ year wine, and rarely open them earlier than that. We can't dismiss the effects of climate change, but otherwise Jeffrey Patterson has made the wine since 1981, so there's been consistency. I know he's a tinkerer, and has changed the amount of stem inclusion, for example. But the wines shouldn't really be fundamentally different. To me, the wines continue to have a savory orientation that I find attractive and rare in California Pinot.

It could be I that has changed in the intervening years.

 

[Jim Hanlon]

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Jim Hanlon:

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
Friday and Saturday night we had:

Mount Eden Pinot Noir 2016 Santa Cruz Mountains. Purchased at the winery after a lovely visit. This, unfortunately, didn't show well. One note, and kind of sweet. Couldn't get past one glass. Not much better on day 2.

Domaine Fourrier Bourgogne Blanc 2019. This was young obviously but really enjoyable. I have a couple more that i'll let sleep a while.

Thibaud Boudignon Anjou Blanc 2019. A bit expensive for it's level perhaps but oh so good. Lovely chenin blanc with that wooly kind of mouth feel. Finished with nice length. the Savennieres from this producer are also terrific.

Mount Eden Pinot is a bit of a bummer. This was a formative wine for me and a real benchmark. Like you, I've been pretty nonplussed the last couple times I've tried it.

I think of Mount Eden Pinot as a 10+ year wine, and rarely open them earlier than that. We can't dismiss the effects of climate change, but otherwise Jeffrey Patterson has made the wine since 1981, so there's been consistency. I know he's a tinkerer, and has changed the amount of stem inclusion, for example. But the wines shouldn't really be fundamentally different. To me, the wines continue to have a savory orientation that I find attractive and rare in California Pinot.

It could be I that has changed in the intervening years.

Have one from the 90s and find out. Most of those vintages are still drinking well, at least they are if you like the wine. But I hear you on shifting tastes.

 

[Larry Stein]

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
CBD ( was: CWD )Wait, there is something other than hand-crafted IPA worth drinking in this country?

Love several other beers, but only if they come with a transatlantic plane ticket.

My nephew and his partner, who are beer aficionados, inform me that serious beer enthusiasts look upon IPAs as we do here on spoofed wine. Take I like them OK on the few occasions I drink beer or ale of any sort.

I’m not fond of IPAs. I got tired of beer that smelled and tasted like pine needles. Lager, pilsner, and saison are my go-to styles.

 

[Jeff Grossman]

No more IPAs here, either.

 

[Jayson Cohen]

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
Friday and Saturday night we had:

Mount Eden Pinot Noir 2016 Santa Cruz Mountains. Purchased at the winery after a lovely visit. This, unfortunately, didn't show well. One note, and kind of sweet. Couldn't get past one glass. Not much better on day 2.

Domaine Fourrier Bourgogne Blanc 2019. This was young obviously but really enjoyable. I have a couple more that i'll let sleep a while.

Thibaud Boudignon Anjou Blanc 2019. A bit expensive for it's level perhaps but oh so good. Lovely chenin blanc with that wooly kind of mouth feel. Finished with nice length. the Savennieres from this producer are also terrific.

I really dig the Boudignon and 2019 seems like the best young ones I've yet tried (limited sample, admittedly). I actually think it is priced pretty fairly in context. The Savennieres start to push the price envelop for me.

Might have to move this up in the queue.

 

[MLipton]

Baching it tonight, it was a bottle of 2013 Beurer Stettner Riesling Trocken, most refreshing. and with a saline quality. Distinctly moreish, to use an Otto-ism.

Mark Lipton

 

[maureen]

originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
No more IPAs here, either.

And I am the opposite - if I am drinking a beer, it has to be an IPA (ok I will drink Dale’s pale ale, but it’s hoppy). If I am in a beer-drinking situation (i.e., eating thai or tex-mex or pizza) and can’t get an IPA, I order sparkling water.

 

[maureen]

Saturday night, a couple of friends came over to watch the Chiefs game (recorded so we could watch during dinner) and with Rte 11 salt & vinegar chips before dinner we drank Roederer’s 242 bottling. I have been drinking a fair amount of champagne lately (well, for me) and I really like the Roederer bottles I’ve had (2012 and 2014 rose). This was fairly round for champagne (I confess I like that) and slightly on the rich side, with some note of maturity yet fresh. Sort of like an RD.

With pork chops brined with rosemary, fennel seed and garlic and dusted with fennel pollen and served very pink, we had Chandon de Briailles 2012 Savigny Les Lavières. I had a bottle of this last summer and loved its fragrant, stemmy deliciousness. This bottle was a bit more reserved and shut down but still a delicious drink.

 

[Salil Benegal]

Been slowing down a lot on wine in the last few years for spirits/cocktails (still drinking occasionally, but with maybe 1/4 the frequency of a few years ago).

Right now I'm sipping on Yamazaki 12 with a few drops of water, which hits the spot. I'll likely finish the evening with a small glass of Amaro Meletti or Ramazotti.

Last night was an amaro sour using Averna. Cask-strength bourbon, Averna, lemon juice, simple syrup, and an egg white, dry shaken and finished with some bitters. I've been reading Brad Thomas Parson's book on Amaro recently and really enjoying it.

 

[mlawton]

hoppy hazy IPA if it's 7% maybe 8% occasionally is a nice thing. Extra points for Galaxy hops or Lupulin powder. Fruit sours also are a nice thing from time to time. I do like the malty beers but not always, and Larry - piney IPA is not an exclusive thing. Pliney for sure but not the New England style other than Heady to my taste.

Tonight, 2012 Holger Koch Herrenstuck PN is tasting very nice. Super drinkable.

 

[Jayson Cohen]

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
Friday and Saturday night we had:

Mount Eden Pinot Noir 2016 Santa Cruz Mountains. Purchased at the winery after a lovely visit. This, unfortunately, didn't show well. One note, and kind of sweet. Couldn't get past one glass. Not much better on day 2.

Domaine Fourrier Bourgogne Blanc 2019. This was young obviously but really enjoyable. I have a couple more that i'll let sleep a while.

Thibaud Boudignon Anjou Blanc 2019. A bit expensive for it's level perhaps but oh so good. Lovely chenin blanc with that wooly kind of mouth feel. Finished with nice length. the Savennieres from this producer are also terrific.

I really dig the Boudignon and 2019 seems like the best young ones I've yet tried (limited sample, admittedly). I actually think it is priced pretty fairly in context. The Savennieres start to push the price envelop for me.

Might have to move this up in the queue.

Damn. My only concern is the 14% but this has it goin’ on. I’m really starting to feel like 2019 dry Loire Chenin is like shooting fish in a barrel among the quality conscious producers. I can’t wait to see what Antoine Foucault does with his 2019s.

 

[Jayson Cohen]

originally posted by maureen:
Saturday night, a couple of friends came over to watch the Chiefs game (recorded so we could watch during dinner) and with Rte 11 salt & vinegar chips before dinner we drank Roederer’s 242 bottling. I have been drinking a fair amount of champagne lately (well, for me) and I really like the Roederer bottles I’ve had (2012 and 2014 rose). This was fairly round for champagne (I confess I like that) and slightly on the rich side, with some note of maturity yet fresh. Sort of like an RD.

With pork chops brined with rosemary, fennel seed and garlic and dusted with fennel pollen and served very pink, we had Chandon de Briailles 2012 Savigny Les Lavières. I had a bottle of this last summer and loved its fragrant, stemmy deliciousness. This bottle was a bit more reserved and shut down but still a delicious drink.

I like the texture and size of the 242 in comparison to the now-discontinued NV. But it is a different shape to it, and gain on one end is a loss of precision and linearity on the other. Both have a place and it is too bad we are losing the NV as it was the best wine in its category imo.

 

[Rahsaan]

originally posted by Larry Stein:
...saison...my go-to styles

Agreed. I find saison to be the perfect blend of flavor and drinkability. Lagers and pilsners can be too boring, and I need to be in the right mood (usually something involving a hot day and beautiful scenery). Richer darker beers are plenty interesting, but can be tiring. Saisons come right down the middle by balancing all the virtues.

IPAs are the new oak spoof world of beer, and it's amazing to see so many otherwise fine palates in this thread endorse them! (Although I suppose at this point, the term IPA gets applied so broadly, it's hard to know what to expect, and certainly some of the more restrained examples can be delicious, even for me)

 

[mark e]

originally posted by Rahsaan:

originally posted by Larry Stein:
...saison...my go-to styles

IPAs are the new oak spoof world of beer, and it's amazing to see so many otherwise fine palates in this thread endorse them! (Although I suppose at this point, the term IPA gets applied so broadly, it's hard to know what to expect, and certainly, some of the more restrained examples can be delicious, even for me)

It does seem strange, especially on this board. The problem is that so many are incredibly out of balance with an overwhelming hoppy aroma and taste. I am particularly not a fan of cascade hops vs. many of the old-world varieties.