CWD: What did you drink last night (or whenever)?

[Jayson Cohen]

2015 N. Rhône tasting - group rank single blind from left to right.

My ranking was different. Jamet on top, Chave St Joe, then Clape before Gonon. And Gilles opening steadily as the night progressed had me thinking it would have risen steadily in rank with another hour of air. I had it mid-pack.

Folks strangely liked the slicked-up Chave Hermitage. It’s sick-new-woody and nearly unrecognizable as Syrah. I ranked it 10th out of 12, just above the 2 bottles on the tail here that were both flawed. I found it close to undrinkable.

 

[Pavel Tchichikov]

those faury wines age nicely. i imagine the 15 is in a tough place right now; been poking at 10s 11s 12s recently and encountering resistance

15 les iles feray is da bomb, and always has been. but we all know that, at that address, the low end shit is always far superior to the grand vin that gets the full treatment of new oak, enzymes, roto fermenters & chaptalization.

 

[Jim Hanlon]

originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:

15 les iles feray is da bomb, and always has been. but we all know that, at that address, the low end shit is always far superior to the grand vin that gets the full treatment of new oak, enzymes, roto fermenters & chaptalization.

That's funny. Jokes notwithstanding, I would reach for 15 Les Iles Feray before the St. Joe today. I'm in a Burg group, and folks always ask what my favorite wine was at a given dinner. I've taken to asking whether they mean my favorite for drinking tonight, or which bottle I'd like to be gifted for my cellar. The answers are usually different. But the comrades here already know that.

The "baller" aspects of a lot of wine culture are amusing. There's a thread on another bored about whether it's a good idea to buy a bottle of 18 Forey Gaudichots for $380 off a restaurant list. Sure, that's a hell of a wine, and a price that's below market if you swim in those waters. It's also a wine that's nowhere near ready to drink. A poster over there trying to make that point got drowned out. But it's a rare wine, bro!

 

[Jeff Grossman]

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
And Gilles opening steadily as the night progressed had me thinking it would have risen steadily in rank with another hour of air. I had it mid-pack.

I have not had Gilles often but I've liked it a lot. In your face now but I think it will have the grace to age well.

 

[Oswaldo Costa]

originally posted by Jim Hanlon:

originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:

15 les iles feray is da bomb, and always has been. but we all know that, at that address, the low end shit is always far superior to the grand vin that gets the full treatment of new oak, enzymes, roto fermenters & chaptalization.

That's funny. Jokes notwithstanding, I would reach for 15 Les Iles Feray before the St. Joe today. I'm in a Burg group, and folks always ask what my favorite wine was at a given dinner. I've taken to asking whether they mean my favorite for drinking tonight, or which bottle I'd like to be gifted for my cellar. The answers are usually different. But the comrades here already know that.

The "baller" aspects of a lot of wine culture are amusing. There's a thread on another bored about whether it's a good idea to buy a bottle of 18 Forey Gaudichots for $380 off a restaurant list. Sure, that's a hell of a wine, and a price that's below market if you swim in those waters. It's also a wine that's nowhere near ready to drink. A poster over there trying to make that point got drowned out. But it's a rare wine, bro!

Can't help but admire the subtle jump from Feray to Foray.

 

[Jim Hanlon]

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:

originally posted by Jim Hanlon:

originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:

15 les iles feray is da bomb, and always has been. but we all know that, at that address, the low end shit is always far superior to the grand vin that gets the full treatment of new oak, enzymes, roto fermenters & chaptalization.

That's funny. Jokes notwithstanding, I would reach for 15 Les Iles Feray before the St. Joe today. I'm in a Burg group, and folks always ask what my favorite wine was at a given dinner. I've taken to asking whether they mean my favorite for drinking tonight, or which bottle I'd like to be gifted for my cellar. The answers are usually different. But the comrades here already know that.

The "baller" aspects of a lot of wine culture are amusing. There's a thread on another bored about whether it's a good idea to buy a bottle of 18 Forey Gaudichots for $380 off a restaurant list. Sure, that's a hell of a wine, and a price that's below market if you swim in those waters. It's also a wine that's nowhere near ready to drink. A poster over there trying to make that point got drowned out. But it's a rare wine, bro!

Can't help but admire the subtle jump from Feray to Foray.

My brain is f’d.

 

[Zachary Ross]

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
2015 N. Rhône tasting - group rank single blind from left to right.

My ranking was different. Jamet on top, Chave St Joe, then Clape before Gonon. And Gilles opening steadily as the night progressed had me thinking it would have risen steadily in rank with another hour of air. I had it mid-pack.

Folks strangely liked the slicked-up Chave Hermitage. It’s sick-new-woody and nearly unrecognizable as Syrah. I ranked it 10th out of 12, just above the 2 bottles on the tail here that were both flawed. I found it close to undrinkable.

Pretty rough time to check in on the 2015s, I would imagine.

How was the Pilon? I tried the 2016 Pilon Cornas and it was oaky and modern, which was very disappointing since it comes from Elie Bancel's Cornas vineyard planted in the 1950s.

 

[robert ames]

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
2015 N. Rhône tasting - group rank single blind from left to right.

My ranking was different. Jamet on top, Chave St Joe, then Clape before Gonon. And Gilles opening steadily as the night progressed had me thinking it would have risen steadily in rank with another hour of air. I had it mid-pack.

Folks strangely liked the slicked-up Chave Hermitage. It’s sick-new-woody and nearly unrecognizable as Syrah. I ranked it 10th out of 12, just above the 2 bottles on the tail here that were both flawed. I found it close to undrinkable.

interesting about the chave hermitage--an acquaintance that buys lots of rhone syrah has dropped this wine from his purchases like a steaming turd. same observation as yours. he sticks with producers such as levet, bernard faurie, jamet(!!), verset (while he was with us), and gonon.

 

[mlawton]

@Jayson Cohen your chicken looks delicious!

 

[VLM]

originally posted by robert ames:

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
2015 N. Rhône tasting - group rank single blind from left to right.

My ranking was different. Jamet on top, Chave St Joe, then Clape before Gonon. And Gilles opening steadily as the night progressed had me thinking it would have risen steadily in rank with another hour of air. I had it mid-pack.

Folks strangely liked the slicked-up Chave Hermitage. It’s sick-new-woody and nearly unrecognizable as Syrah. I ranked it 10th out of 12, just above the 2 bottles on the tail here that were both flawed. I found it close to undrinkable.

interesting about the chave hermitage--an acquaintance that buys lots of rhone syrah has dropped this wine from his purchases like a steaming turd. same observation as yours. he sticks with producers such as levet, bernard faurie, jamet(!!), verset (while he was with us), and gonon.

Yeah, my youngest bottle of Chave is the 1999 and even then, I sold all but 2 bottles just to see. I've considered dipping my toes back in as other No. Rhônes have escalated past my cost threshold or I no longer get allocated any bottles. I've heard the excesses of the 2000s have retreated in the teens, but I haven't tried anything in a good while.

 

[Jayson Cohen]

originally posted by mlawton:
@Jayson Cohen your chicken looks delicious!

Thanks! Which one?

The key for the Guizhou is the chili paste. The key for the Gong Bao is the Trousseau.

Note that Keith was my mentor for all things Sichuan.

 

[Peter Creasey]

I have always loved the Bouchard Pere & Fils Greves Vignes de L'Enfant Jesus 1er Cru '15 bottling. This decanting showed virtually no sediment making me wonder if this bottle might come across soulless -- Solid red color, generous bouquet with all the right components, perhaps already a bit softer on the palate than expected (no sediment?), wonderful elegance and roundness, no edges, excellent fruit, soft tannins (no sediment?), in any case a superb sampling of this wine. [E]

Perfect pairing with grilled flat iron steak, fresh air fryer French fries, sauteed mustard greens, then Westminster rustic cheddar cheese, pear, and almond roca chocolate.

. . . . . Pete

 

[BJ]

originally posted by Zachary Ross:

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
2015 N. Rhône tasting - group rank single blind from left to right.

My ranking was different. Jamet on top, Chave St Joe, then Clape before Gonon. And Gilles opening steadily as the night progressed had me thinking it would have risen steadily in rank with another hour of air. I had it mid-pack.

Folks strangely liked the slicked-up Chave Hermitage. It’s sick-new-woody and nearly unrecognizable as Syrah. I ranked it 10th out of 12, just above the 2 bottles on the tail here that were both flawed. I found it close to undrinkable.

Pretty rough time to check in on the 2015s, I would imagine.

How was the Pilon? I tried the 2016 Pilon Cornas and it was oaky and modern, which was very disappointing since it comes from Elie Bancel's Cornas vineyard planted in the 1950s.

Yeah, come on, WTF kind of Rule adherence is that???

 

[MLipton]

originally posted by BJ:

originally posted by Zachary Ross:

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
2015 N. Rhône tasting - group rank single blind from left to right.

My ranking was different. Jamet on top, Chave St Joe, then Clape before Gonon. And Gilles opening steadily as the night progressed had me thinking it would have risen steadily in rank with another hour of air. I had it mid-pack.

Folks strangely liked the slicked-up Chave Hermitage. It’s sick-new-woody and nearly unrecognizable as Syrah. I ranked it 10th out of 12, just above the 2 bottles on the tail here that were both flawed. I found it close to undrinkable.

Pretty rough time to check in on the 2015s, I would imagine.

How was the Pilon? I tried the 2016 Pilon Cornas and it was oaky and modern, which was very disappointing since it comes from Elie Bancel's Cornas vineyard planted in the 1950s.

Yeah, come on, WTF kind of Rule adherence is that???

Yeah, really. I get all guilt-ridden pulling an ‘08 Cornas out of the cellar and he’s drinking ‘15s? Where’s the justice, I ask?

Mark Lipton

 

[Jayson Cohen]

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by BJ:

originally posted by Zachary Ross:

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
2015 N. Rhône tasting - group rank single blind from left to right.

My ranking was different. Jamet on top, Chave St Joe, then Clape before Gonon. And Gilles opening steadily as the night progressed had me thinking it would have risen steadily in rank with another hour of air. I had it mid-pack.

Folks strangely liked the slicked-up Chave Hermitage. It’s sick-new-woody and nearly unrecognizable as Syrah. I ranked it 10th out of 12, just above the 2 bottles on the tail here that were both flawed. I found it close to undrinkable.

Pretty rough time to check in on the 2015s, I would imagine.

How was the Pilon? I tried the 2016 Pilon Cornas and it was oaky and modern, which was very disappointing since it comes from Elie Bancel's Cornas vineyard planted in the 1950s.

Yeah, come on, WTF kind of Rule adherence is that???

Yeah, really. I get all guilt-ridden pulling an ‘08 Cornas out of the cellar and he’s drinking ‘15s? Where’s the justice, I ask?

Mark Lipton

I just showed up and reported. I didn’t pick the theme.

 

[Jeff Grossman]

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
I just showed up and reported. I didn’t pick the theme.

I saw a report on another board of this same event. That person, too, denied any responsibility for the selection (and had a better picture). His take on the Chave: "Chave Hermitage - Very polarizing. Funky and floral but also the only wine that clearly showed new oak. Could you identify this as syrah blind? Not sure. The Northern Rhone geeks hated it, the Bdx/Rioja drinkers loved it."

 

[Jayson Cohen]

Link? And I can’t help if WD reduces the resolution of the photo unless I choose the stupid option to insert.

 

[Jeff Grossman]

It's over on Vinous so behind a paywall, I believe.

And here's the big photo of the bottles.

 

[Pavel Tchichikov]

originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
"The Northern Rhone geeks hated it, the Bdx/Rioja drinkers loved it."

WTF

 

[MLipton]

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by BJ:

originally posted by Zachary Ross:

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
2015 N. Rhône tasting - group rank single blind from left to right.

My ranking was different. Jamet on top, Chave St Joe, then Clape before Gonon. And Gilles opening steadily as the night progressed had me thinking it would have risen steadily in rank with another hour of air. I had it mid-pack.

Folks strangely liked the slicked-up Chave Hermitage. It’s sick-new-woody and nearly unrecognizable as Syrah. I ranked it 10th out of 12, just above the 2 bottles on the tail here that were both flawed. I found it close to undrinkable.

Pretty rough time to check in on the 2015s, I would imagine.

How was the Pilon? I tried the 2016 Pilon Cornas and it was oaky and modern, which was very disappointing since it comes from Elie Bancel's Cornas vineyard planted in the 1950s.

Yeah, come on, WTF kind of Rule adherence is that???

Yeah, really. I get all guilt-ridden pulling an ‘08 Cornas out of the cellar and he’s drinking ‘15s? Where’s the justice, I ask?

Mark Lipton

I just showed up and reported. I didn’t pick the theme.

Understood, and comment was half in jest anyway. To make amends, I ordered a 2016 Gilles-Robin Papillon C-H at a restaurant the other night. It was surprisingly open and the tannins quite smooth 30 min after a hard decant, but still so primary. During the course of the meal, we could watch the color change from purple to garnet and the lactic notes blow off. Honestly, it reminded me of tasting a barrel sample.

Mark Lipton