CWD: What did you drink last night (or whenever)?

[Jonathan Loesberg]

The Granit 30, either because of the terroir or the elevage or both is more like a well-made Croze than a Cornas. It is a nice wine, but on the polished side. The Granit 60 gets you more into Cornas territory and with the Geynale, you have more or less arrived there. Given the prices of the 30 and 60, their reasonable QPR, but they should not be thought of as like the Cornas you grew up on. Those do still exist, though--for a price, alas.

 

[Steve Edmunds]

originally posted by MLipton:
Tonight, at dinner with a visiting speaker I opened two Syrahs: 2014 Vincent Paris Cornas Granit 30 tasted almost like a barrel sample: smooth tannins, fresh, primary. The fruit was recognizably Syrah (especially if you’ve had barrel samples) but it tasted oh so young. Whatever happened to the Cornas of my youth that would remove the enamel from your teeth at age 8?
2005 Edmunds St. John Parmalee-Hill was, in contrast, a great example of a mature Syrah. Smoky, with green olives and licorice, the tannins were soft but the svidity was vibrant. Medium-to-full bodied, it was a treat to drink.
Interestingly, our foursome of non-wine geeks were split on their favorite.

Mark Lipton

Nice to hear, vis a vis the '05 Parmelee-Hill, Mark; I've lamented the non-integration of its elements so many times, I haven't bothered to taste it for too long. I'll take another shot sometime soon.

Steve

 

[Jim Hanlon]

My monthly Burgundy group did a Bourgogne tasting last evening. Some couldn't help themselves and brought Bourgogne that sells at premier cru pricing.

2016 Roulot Bourgogne: Reductive nose, but one of those that does it well and sucks you in. Powerful, deep palate, especially for Bourgogne. Really presents as a well made premier cru Chassagne, although if you pick nits it may be little light on complexity. What it does, it does really well.

2016 Ramonet Bourgogne: Just a hint of the trademark mintiness. Less depth than the Roulot, but perhaps prettier. While I can see splashing out and paying for the Roulot, this bottle didn't move me as much. That may be stylistic preference.

2019 Fornerol Cotes de Nuits Village: A showcase of stem inclusion and energetic red fruit. A little bottle funk to blow off. Not complex, but a crowd pleaser. Almost Gamay-like in drinkability. Don't see why you'd age it.

2010 Roty Bourgogne: One of the things I like about these occasional Bourgogne tastings is that you can really see the domaine's style on many of the wines. This is very much in that vein. Red fruited, but with cocoa and some smoky elements from the barrels. Pretty integrated. Came across as very old school, but in an attractive way. Didn't shout (that was the Fornerol) and rewarded attention.

2015 Arnoux-Lachaux Bourgogne Pinot Fin: Apparently this has become an "it bottle" and sells for silly prices. Setting that aside, this is a very attractive Bourgogne. Seems to have a bit of stem inclusion, but as a small component of the wine. Red fruited, with some depth and even complexity.

2016 Cathiard Bourgogne: One of our group members really loves Cathiard, so I've tasted quite a few bottles over the years, and I guessed this after a moment or so. Cathiard achieves really deep, pretty, delineated fruit. Too much so for some, including me sometimes. The wines are so rich, even at Bourgogne, that I often think they could be blinded into a tasting of California Pinot Noir and not stick out. They usually don't scream Burgundy to me, although I guess there aren't many (any?) other places where you can get this kind of fruit, even if it is presented in a more modernish way.

 

[Rahsaan]

originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
My monthly Burgundy group did a Bourgogne tasting last evening. Some couldn't help themselves and brought Bourgogne that sells at premier cru pricing.

As a general rule, those seem like fine friends to have. Although you may not have liked some of the specific examples in this case.

 

[Jim Hanlon]

originally posted by Rahsaan:

originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
My monthly Burgundy group did a Bourgogne tasting last evening. Some couldn't help themselves and brought Bourgogne that sells at premier cru pricing.

As a general rule, those seem like fine friends to have. Although you may not have liked some of the specific examples in this case.

It goes both ways and I don't mean to sound ungrateful. It's a privilege to taste expensive wines I wouldn't buy myself. But that vibe has also pushed some folks out of the group altogether.

 

[Pavel Tchichikov]

originally posted by MarkS:

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
No duds.

No notes?

the two reds were thrilling

17vv classic trimbach profile w/petrol flowers et al, the 16 anniversary quite un-trimbach-like, we agreed we'd be guessing boxler blind (you never *taste* structure in trimbach, you just sense it)

 

[Jayson Cohen]

originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:

originally posted by MarkS:

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
No duds.

No notes?

the two reds were thrilling

17vv classic trimbach profile w/petrol flowers et al, the 16 anniversary quite un-trimbach-like, we agreed we'd be guessing boxler blind (you never *taste* structure in trimbach, you just sense it)

This. Sorry my response was delayed.

La Lagune was classic cool claret. All substance, no flash. Our benefactor was digging it. As were we.

Bosconia was autumnal, animal, feral, cocoa. Beautiful. Young. I likened it to the ‘54, and Pavel agreed. The complementary compliment is significant.

 

[MLipton]

originally posted by Steve Edmunds:

originally posted by MLipton:
Tonight, at dinner with a visiting speaker I opened two Syrahs: 2014 Vincent Paris Cornas Granit 30 tasted almost like a barrel sample: smooth tannins, fresh, primary. The fruit was recognizably Syrah (especially if you’ve had barrel samples) but it tasted oh so young. Whatever happened to the Cornas of my youth that would remove the enamel from your teeth at age 8?
2005 Edmunds St. John Parmalee-Hill was, in contrast, a great example of a mature Syrah. Smoky, with green olives and licorice, the tannins were soft but the svidity was vibrant. Medium-to-full bodied, it was a treat to drink.
Interestingly, our foursome of non-wine geeks were split on their favorite.

Mark Lipton

Nice to hear, vis a vis the '05 Parmelee-Hill, Mark; I've lamented the non-integration of its elements so many times, I haven't bothered to taste it for too long. I'll take another shot sometime soon.

Steve

I’ll be interested in your thoughts, Steve. This was my only bottle, purchased at release and stored in our below-grade but passive cellar where we see 10 F swings from summer to winter. My experience has been that wines from our cellar may show more advanced than ones from a temperature-controlled environment.

Mark Lipton

 

[Peter Creasey]

The purpose of this thread has merit. Unfortunately, on the less desirable side, it buries all the good info on specific wines without any organization. Wine searches would be problematic if not fruitless.

Just saying.

. . . . . Pete

 

[MarkS]

originally posted by Peter Creasey:

The purpose of this thread has merit. Unfortunately, on the less desirable side, it buries all the good info on specific wines without any organization. Wine searches would be problematic if not fruitless.

Just saying.

. . . . . Pete

Yes, we should close it down. It's become less than useless.

 

[Jayson Cohen]

originally posted by MarkS:

originally posted by Peter Creasey:

The purpose of this thread has merit. Unfortunately, on the less desirable side, it buries all the good info on specific wines without any organization. Wine searches would be problematic if not fruitless.

Just saying.

. . . . . Pete

Yes, we should close it down. It's become less than useless.

If the comment search function built into WD was a little more accurate, that would not be the case that the search wouldn’t lead right to a specific wine. As it is, it’s not far off. That’s a tech issue, not a substance issue.

Also, if you don’t find the thread useful, stop reading it.

This is Disorder. We don’t “close [things] down.”

 

[fatboy]

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:

This is Disorder.

quite.

fb.

 

[fatboy]

originally posted by Zachary Ross:
I have mostly been on hiatus in 2022 but I transgressed on Sunday and opened a bottle of 2000 Chateau Bel Air-Marquis d'Aligre.

Well, wow. So nice when wines live up to the recent hype. What a great old thing, savory and saline, coiled and ready for battle. Endlessly pleasurable and a new favorite.

though they are relatively light wines, they keep remarkably well. your description would be equally apt for recent bottles of the 73, 75 and 78.

fb.

 

[Peter Creasey]

Jayson, I agree your thread does have merit. It's just too bad all the good info is effectively buried.

. . . . . . Pete

 

[Jayson Cohen]

originally posted by Peter Creasey:

Jason, I agree your thread does have merit. It's just too bad all the good info is effectively buried.

. . . . . . Pete

Who is “Jason”?

 

[mark e]

originally posted by Piet Creasey:

Jason, I agree your thread does have merit. It's just too bad all the good info is effectively buried.

. . . . . . Piet

Jayson, do you know who the hell Piet is?

 

[Peter Creasey]

Sorry for the typo, Jayson. Now corrected.

. . . . . . Pete

 

[Pavel Tchichikov]

Last time there was a class-action type complaint about Disorder's search function (which appears to have been implemented, free of charge, by Cistercian monks), SFJoe recommended site-specific google search. Unfortunately, this no longer works, e.g. you get results from "Beaujolais site:decanter.com" or from "Beaujolais site:winespectator.com" , but nothing from "Beaujolais site:winedisorder.com" .

 

[Politburo]

We search, we find. What are you doing?

 

[Jim Hanlon]

2018 Belliviere Le Rouge-Gorge: It's been a few vintages since I've had this wine. On the powerful, extracted side of Pineau d'Aunis. The typical flavors were there, strawberry and white pepper, although the strawberry on the richer, earthier side. The biggest issue was the tannins. Nebbiolo level. I expect that was on account of the heavy extraction, but I don't know. I don't recall having a really aged Pineau d'Aunis, and am somewhat skeptical the fruit will outlast the tannins here. That said, the tannins worked at the table. But this is a tough sipping wine.