CWD: What did you drink last night (or whenever)?

[Pavel Tchichikov]

originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
2018 Belliviere Le Rouge-Gorge: It's been a few vintages since I've had this wine. On the powerful, extracted side of Pineau d'Aunis. The typical flavors were there, strawberry and white pepper, although the strawberry on the richer, earthier side. The biggest issue was the tannins. Nebbiolo level. I expect that was on account of the heavy extraction, but I don't know. I don't recall having a really aged Pineau d'Aunis, and am somewhat skeptical the fruit will outlast the tannins here. That said, the tannins worked at the table. But this is a tough sipping wine.

I've had a number of wonderful 2018 reds from the Loire. Throwing this into the hat in case any of our numerically-obsessed comrades bemoan Jim's reluctance to award points, and go straight for the only digits available to them: the vintage.

 

[Jim Hanlon]

originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:

originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
2018 Belliviere Le Rouge-Gorge: It's been a few vintages since I've had this wine. On the powerful, extracted side of Pineau d'Aunis. The typical flavors were there, strawberry and white pepper, although the strawberry on the richer, earthier side. The biggest issue was the tannins. Nebbiolo level. I expect that was on account of the heavy extraction, but I don't know. I don't recall having a really aged Pineau d'Aunis, and am somewhat skeptical the fruit will outlast the tannins here. That said, the tannins worked at the table. But this is a tough sipping wine.

I've had a number of wonderful 2018 reds from the Loire. Throwing this into the hat in case any of our numerically-obsessed comrades bemoan Jim's reluctance to award points, and go straight for the only digits available to them: the vintage.

Pascaline Lepeltier's note for CSW mentions reduced yields due to mildew and later heat giving extra structure. Her note describes the tannins as chalky and velvety. To the extent those go together (they don't to me), I wouldn't ascribe either to this bottle. But maybe the wine will age through the tannin, and it was okay with food. No indictment of the vintage, just impressions on one bottle of one wine. This bottle doesn't affect my thinking about 2018 Baudry, Pinon, or Pepiere one iota.

 

[robert ames]

originally posted by Jim Hanlon:

originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:

originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
2018 Belliviere Le Rouge-Gorge: It's been a few vintages since I've had this wine. On the powerful, extracted side of Pineau d'Aunis. The typical flavors were there, strawberry and white pepper, although the strawberry on the richer, earthier side. The biggest issue was the tannins. Nebbiolo level. I expect that was on account of the heavy extraction, but I don't know. I don't recall having a really aged Pineau d'Aunis, and am somewhat skeptical the fruit will outlast the tannins here. That said, the tannins worked at the table. But this is a tough sipping wine.

I've had a number of wonderful 2018 reds from the Loire. Throwing this into the hat in case any of our numerically-obsessed comrades bemoan Jim's reluctance to award points, and go straight for the only digits available to them: the vintage.

Pascaline Lepeltier's note for CSW mentions reduced yields due to mildew and later heat giving extra structure. Her note describes the tannins as chalky and velvety. To the extent those go together (they don't to me), I wouldn't ascribe either to this bottle. But maybe the wine will age through the tannin, and it was okay with food. No indictment of the vintage, just impressions on one bottle of one wine. This bottle doesn't affect my thinking about 2018 Baudry, Pinon, or Pepiere one iota.

nor should it.

 

[Pavel Tchichikov]

originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
No indictment of the vintage

nor the grape; patrice colin made some kickass pineau d'aunis in '18

 

[Jim Hanlon]

originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:

originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
No indictment of the vintage

nor the grape; patrice colin made some kickass pineau d'aunis in '18

Agree there too. I don't drink Pineau d'Aunis broadly enough to have any informed opinion about 2018 or any other vintage. And maybe my bottle of Rouge-Gorge was just unusually grumpy and tannin-forward. It's just one data point, on one wine.

 

[robert ames]

youse guys drink the pineau d'aunis from clau de nell (anne claude leflaive)? woops, that's grolleau. anyway, familiar with it?

 

[Jayson Cohen]

Pineau D’Aunis my contribution tonight in DC. Keith, Maureen, Cristi deliver the goods. Roederer 2012 Rose. 2007 Riesling Steineratl battle between Alzinger and F.X. Pichler. 2018 Montrieux Grand Gousier serving up the best labels and best Pineau D these days for me. 2008 Chevillon kicking it while ridiculously corked 2006 was not.

 

[MLipton]

2010 Chevillon NSG vv was singing tonight. Opened to celebrate our son getting a hole-in-one in his last golf meet of HS. Baking spices and raspberries In the nose and a lush, rich palate presence. For me, it’s probably at apex now.

Mark Lipton

 

[fatboy]

originally posted by Jim Hanlon:

I don't drink Pineau d'Aunis broadly enough to have any informed opinion about 2018 or any other vintage. And maybe my bottle of Rouge-Gorge was just unusually grumpy and tannin-forward. It's just one data point, on one wine.

fwiw, your note perfectly captured my feelings about every bottle of this wine i've ever had. this does not include the 2018, since i long ago decided that belliviere's presbyterian take on pineau d'aunis is not intended for sinners like me, and so i leave it for more worthy comrades to enjoy.

redde caesari quae sunt caesaris and all that.

fb.

 

[Pavel Tchichikov]

tangentially, patrice colin's pet nat is solely pineau d'aunis, and that is a wine worth gaining weight for.

 

[Oswaldo Costa]

originally posted by Jim Hanlon:

originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:

originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
2018 Belliviere Le Rouge-Gorge: It's been a few vintages since I've had this wine. On the powerful, extracted side of Pineau d'Aunis. The typical flavors were there, strawberry and white pepper, although the strawberry on the richer, earthier side. The biggest issue was the tannins. Nebbiolo level. I expect that was on account of the heavy extraction, but I don't know. I don't recall having a really aged Pineau d'Aunis, and am somewhat skeptical the fruit will outlast the tannins here. That said, the tannins worked at the table. But this is a tough sipping wine.

I've had a number of wonderful 2018 reds from the Loire. Throwing this into the hat in case any of our numerically-obsessed comrades bemoan Jim's reluctance to award points, and go straight for the only digits available to them: the vintage.

Pascaline Lepeltier's note for CSW mentions reduced yields due to mildew and later heat giving extra structure. Her note describes the tannins as chalky and velvety. To the extent those go together (they don't to me), I wouldn't ascribe either to this bottle. But maybe the wine will age through the tannin, and it was okay with food. No indictment of the vintage, just impressions on one bottle of one wine. This bottle doesn't affect my thinking about 2018 Baudry, Pinon, or Pepiere one iota.

Tasted this 18 Rouge Gorge at a wine fair last year and also found it too tannic (and acidic). At least it wasn't volatile (like the 14). Used to like these, but now tend to avoid.

 

[MarkS]

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
Bosconia was autumnal, animal, feral, cocoa. Beautiful. Young. I likened it to the ‘54, and Pavel agreed. The complementary compliment is significant.

Oh that sounds yummy.

 

[Pavel Tchichikov]

originally posted by MarkS:

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
Bosconia was autumnal, animal, feral, cocoa. Beautiful. Young. I likened it to the ‘54, and Pavel agreed. The complementary compliment is significant.

Oh that sounds yummy.

the 1954 as observed in 2008.
we are a bitemporal big data provider.

 

[Jim Hanlon]

2020 Lapierre Morgon: Follows the 2019 as a glou glou, friendly, happy wine. Perhaps a little lighter than the 2019, but still representative of the domaine's traditional style and recent-ish return to form. This was the sulphured cuvee, for those who care.

 

[maureen]

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
2015 Kabis, single blind, in group rank order:

Sorry I am just now catching up with this post. Which Schloss Lieser and Richter kabs (I think the Prum appears to be the GH, right?).

And tell me about that 2016 Trimbach please. I have some on order.

 

[Jayson Cohen]

originally posted by maureen:

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
2015 Kabis, single blind, in group rank order:

Sorry I am just now catching up with this post. Which Schloss Lieser and Richter kabs (I think the Prum appears to be the GH, right?).

And tell me about that 2016 Trimbach please. I have some on order.

I sent you a a better photo by email.

Juffer and Elisenberg.

Trimbach was as Pavel described. Execellent but more in a Boxler vein than typical Trimbach.

 

[Jeff Grossman]

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
Pineau D’Aunis my contribution tonight in DC. Keith, Maureen, Cristi deliver the goods.

Maureen is the hostess with the mostest.

 

[Rahsaan]

A corked bottle of Spätburgunder left me scrambling for something easy and food flexible. Decided on the 2020 Dr. Hermann Erdener Herzlei Alte Reben Goldkapsel Riesling Spätlese and it was perfect. These days I don't drink much full-tilt middle mosel spätlese, but this had all the sweet red strawberry note fruits combined with clear mineral lace to avoid getting too opulent. A lovely combination of dense firm old vine structure (or is that the power of suggestion from the label), and juicy lip-smacking character.

Perfect with food, perfect to drink, a perfect bottle to empty on a spring evening.

 

[Jayson Cohen]

originally posted by Rahsaan:
A corked bottle of Spätburgunder left me scrambling for something easy and food flexible. Decided on the 2020 Dr. Hermann Erdener Herzlei Alte Reben Riesling Spätlese and it was perfect. These days I don't drink much full-tilt middle mosel spätlese, but this had all the sweet red strawberry note fruits combined with clear mineral lace to avoid getting too opulent. A lovely combination of dense firm old vine structure (or is that the power of suggestion from the label), and juicy lip-smacking character.

Perfect with food, perfect to drink, a perfect bottle to empty on a spring evening.

That sounds good. I don’t I’ve ever heard of the Herzlei site. Will take a look on the map.

 

[Rahsaan]

It is a Dr. Hermann monopole, directly next to Erdener Prälat, and supposedly a top site/historic core of Erdener Treppchen. These are 130-year old ungrafted vines.