CWD: What did you drink last night (or whenever)?
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Claude Kolm
Claude Kolm
It's too bad about not being good enough to restock, because here is SF the price is attractive -- $17; I think the 2019 was $14, but shipping costs these days . . . .
Claude Kolm
Claude Kolm
Italian wines generally are cheaper in NYC than SF, but Barale is a DI to SF. It's also cheaper in SF than in Paris.
This statement is absolute nonsense, Claude. Perhaps to *your* taste, but that does mean that you like high alcohol wines. Barbera at 15% is a travesty.
Before global warming, I was a barbera grower in Piemonte (Costigliole d'Asti). I can assure you when the Brix hit a potential 14% the wines no longer had a desirable balance. Worse still, was the use of oak on the part of many growers. Fortunately that has abated to some extent.
I suggest you get a bottle of 2019 Principiano Barbera d'Alba, which is 12.5% ABV. Everything is in balance. Really a lovely wine. His 2018, which was 13.5% was nowhere near as balanced.
Claude Kolm
Claude Kolm
Mark, I'm not saying that I like high alcohol wines or high-alcohol Barbera -- quite the opposite. And indeed I much preferred the 2019 from Barale which was "only" 14% -- already high for me. But it worked for me in 2020 to the extent that I found the wine tolerable, unlike the great majority of 15%(+) (or even 14%) alcohol wines of any origin or grape that I taste.
Jayson Cohen
Jayson Cohen
I really gave this a chance. Mosse was a real revelation a decade ago, my first experience of what I’d call the natural style of making Schist Chenin, and the wines were those of joy and seve.
But IMO this is a flawed wine, generically natural with only the hints of ruined fruit poking out, and dosing at bottling with a bit of SO2 can’t cure or hide those faults.
I don’t know what happened here. Generational handoff failed? An anomaly? Was ‘19 better?
But IMO this is a flawed wine, generically natural with only the hints of ruined fruit poking out, and dosing at bottling with a bit of SO2 can’t cure or hide those faults.
I don’t know what happened here. Generational handoff failed? An anomaly? Was ‘19 better?
Claude Kolm
Claude Kolm
In making that statement, I was thinking of 2003, where I recall impressive Barbera, especially one from Bruno Giacosa (which I think did not have high alcohol but did have high ripeness). But I have to admit, too, that I generally am not a fan of Barbera and do not drink widely of it.
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
2013 Helmut Dolde Silvaner Brauner Jura: Thanks to His Corpulence for his role in getting this wine into my life. I don't know much about Silvaner, but this is sheer pleasure. Super acid driven, but with corresponding depth to balance. One of those wines that manages to be both complex and happy. Apropos of another thread, I don't buy Montrachet and even Corton Charlemagne has become an indulgence, but vinous life is plenty rewarding with bottles like this in it.
2016 Lapierre Morgon: This wine was initially pretty dull and even lifeless. Eventually it perked up, gaining characteristic Lapierre flavors (to me, there's usually an apple-skin quality that's unique to this domaine). That said, this isn't better than it was at release. It's becoming a refrain, but I'm not sure that Lapierre rewards aging in most vintages.
2016 Lapierre Morgon: This wine was initially pretty dull and even lifeless. Eventually it perked up, gaining characteristic Lapierre flavors (to me, there's usually an apple-skin quality that's unique to this domaine). That said, this isn't better than it was at release. It's becoming a refrain, but I'm not sure that Lapierre rewards aging in most vintages.
Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
Awesome. Is 2013 BJ under cork or sc? I am out of his 2013s but still digging out both WJ and AR in 2014 on occasion. Both are under sc and if you think natural cork gives you the worst of variation, think again. The best bottles of both are brilliant and as you describe, perhaps a little broader in 2014.
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
This was screwcap, which does make me nervous even though I can't recall a very bad screwcap experience.
lamy saint-aubin derrière chez edouard vv 17 was a fine accompaniment to a ris de veau fricassée.
on its own, a wine to sit and sniff: broad, fragrant yet not sweet on the nose, while in teh mouth -- as is typical of teh lamy reds i have swilled -- it is savory, almost fat free, yet does want for texture.
total magic with teh sweetbreads.
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on its own, a wine to sit and sniff: broad, fragrant yet not sweet on the nose, while in teh mouth -- as is typical of teh lamy reds i have swilled -- it is savory, almost fat free, yet does want for texture.
total magic with teh sweetbreads.
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Jayson Cohen
Jayson Cohen
Does *not* want for texture?
I have never tried a Lamy red. Hmmm. Temptation. Seems like should be good Pinot dirt on paper.
Tristan Welles
Tristan Welles
can confirm, Lamy's Derrière Chez Edouard cuvées merit attention. (He has a VV as well).
machard de gramont bourgogne rouge les grands chaillots 2019 was sold to me while i was traveling by a dude who said all teh right things -- "savory, structured, elegant, none of teh heat of teh vintage, etc.".
had i read teh small print, i'd have seen teh 14.5% alcohol. but i didn't. instead, with teh thoughts of "savory, structured, elegant, none of teh heat of teh vintage, etc." filling my chubby mind, i popped, poured (a suspicious, inky red/black) and sniffed (prunes and booze) before taking a first, suspicious sip (more booze, chunky anonymous red fruit) and experiencing a (fat) sinking feeling.
only then did i read teh small print.
teh cork was duly popped back in, and in teh interest of science, i just dutifully retried. see above. as a table wine this is not for me.
oddly enough, teh same producer's 2019 aligote was great: fresh, lithe and stony, with just the right balance between lemon juice and aligote chub.
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had i read teh small print, i'd have seen teh 14.5% alcohol. but i didn't. instead, with teh thoughts of "savory, structured, elegant, none of teh heat of teh vintage, etc." filling my chubby mind, i popped, poured (a suspicious, inky red/black) and sniffed (prunes and booze) before taking a first, suspicious sip (more booze, chunky anonymous red fruit) and experiencing a (fat) sinking feeling.
only then did i read teh small print.
teh cork was duly popped back in, and in teh interest of science, i just dutifully retried. see above. as a table wine this is not for me.
oddly enough, teh same producer's 2019 aligote was great: fresh, lithe and stony, with just the right balance between lemon juice and aligote chub.
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Christian Miller (CMM)
Christian Miller
Salil Benegal
Salil Benegal
2010 Jouan Chambolle was underwhelming. Rather lean and sour, lacking fruit, and felt a bit hollow and advanced. A 2010 Morey St. Denis VV from the same purchase/case/storage was exceptional a few weeks ago, so this was particularly disappointing.
OTOH, 2019 Gonon Les Iles Feray was absolutely thrilling and I don't have an itch to buy higher end Cornas/Cote-Rotie when I have a stash of that at home.
OTOH, 2019 Gonon Les Iles Feray was absolutely thrilling and I don't have an itch to buy higher end Cornas/Cote-Rotie when I have a stash of that at home.
Jayson Cohen
Jayson Cohen
2021 Dönnhoff Oberhäuser Leistenberg Kabinett - adult tangerine creamsicle beverage. A particularly zingy rendition.