Three Boring Beaunes

It was quite lovely in '08 as well.

In fact, I had it the day after the '05 Marechale village, which I had enjoyed very much, but which in comparison seemed noticeably lacking in...finesse.

Perhaps, Sharon, you have been drinking the '05s? I have not tasted those.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Arjun: Rustic and heavy-handed, lacking finesse.

Bill: Unfortunately, I can see the long-lived, but didn't find them very good.
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Obviously your love affair with Brad and the edible underwear has damaged your brain irreparably.

So sorry.
 
originally posted by Tom Blach:
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Arjun: Rustic and heavy-handed, lacking finesse.

Bill: Unfortunately, I can see the long-lived, but didn't find them very good.
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There is a certain rusticity in Savigny,which is what it is, but I can only think you've been opening them young when they don't show well. They are quite serious wines meant for ageing.
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I find Savigny to be much less rustic than either Beaune or Pommard. Lots of calcaire and such is what I think I heard.
 
morot - teurons, bressandes, marconnet (altho replanted I believe in the late 80s), greves, toussaints, cent vigne

79s were just magical, 85s lovely, 88s quite good, same with 90s and 93s - thats as far up as I go - also made a lovely savigny back then

cole, our mags are teurons
 
originally posted by maureen:
finally managed to log back inmorot - teurons, bressandes, marconnet (altho replanted I believe in the late 80s), greves, toussaints, cent vigne
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Is that your order of preference?
 
I enjoyed an '05 Pavelot Pernand Vegelesses last year. Put the rest deep in the cellar.

There's a Jean Marechale (gee what a surprise...multiple producers with similar names) out there. I had an '05 Mercurey that was quite good. Anybody know anything about them?
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Tom Blach:
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Arjun: Rustic and heavy-handed, lacking finesse.

Bill: Unfortunately, I can see the long-lived, but didn't find them very good.
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There is a certain rusticity in Savigny,which is what it is, but I can only think you've been opening them young when they don't show well. They are quite serious wines meant for ageing.
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I find Savigny to be much less rustic than either Beaune or Pommard. Lots of calcaire and such is what I think I heard.
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Than some lesser Pommards certainly. For me the slight drawback of lesser Beaunes is a slightly enervating blandness.
 
originally posted by Tom Blach:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Tom Blach:
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Arjun: Rustic and heavy-handed, lacking finesse.

Bill: Unfortunately, I can see the long-lived, but didn't find them very good.
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There is a certain rusticity in Savigny,which is what it is, but I can only think you've been opening them young when they don't show well. They are quite serious wines meant for ageing.
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I find Savigny to be much less rustic than either Beaune or Pommard. Lots of calcaire and such is what I think I heard.
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Than some lesser Pommards certainly.
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Well, I find most to be more on the rustic end, but sure.

For me the slight drawback of lesser Beaunes is a slightly enervating blandness.
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That is a great way of putting it.
 
originally posted by David M. Bueker:
I enjoyed an '05 Pavelot Pernand Vegelesses last year. Put the rest deep in the cellar.

There's a Jean Marechale (gee what a surprise...multiple producers with similar names) out there. I had an '05 Mercurey that was quite good. Anybody know anything about them?
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I visited Jean Marchale in 1990 and liked the wines a lot. They were rustic, tannic, old style, and demanded plenty of patience, but they were very good. He was already probably about 60 then (he went on and on about his 1947 and even showed us a bottle, but alas did not uncork it), so I'm sure that there is a new generation, and quite possibly a new style of wine. I used to know a store in Paris that sold his wine, but I never bought a bottle and have not come across it elsewhere.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by maureen:
finally managed to log back inmorot - teurons, bressandes, marconnet (altho replanted I believe in the late 80s), greves, toussaints, cent vigne
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Is that your order of preference?
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pretty much altho cent vigne was higher up when I had younger examples - but for aging use the above list (altho I can't remember whether it was greves or marconnet that was replanted and for whichever it was, put it first pre-replanting and then after for after).

Frankly, I think the southern cote d'or value is santenay not savigny.
 
Yixin, I recommend you try a J.-Cl. Rateau Beaune. Its rainwater redness will perhaps show you the light of irritation at lack of body?
 
originally posted by Tom Blach:
originally posted by Yixin:
Why would blandness be enervating?

It's slickness that vexes me.
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It vexes me also, but does not enervate. Though thinking about I can't ever recall a slick Beaune.
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Down with Beaune, on to Vosne.
 
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