My trip to the Marche Aux Vins and Burgundy

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Jeff Grossman

Jeff Grossman
A friend and I went to the Marche Aux Vins in Ampuis (my first time!) and then spent a few days in Burgundy. We visited Dom. Fourrier, Mugneret, Burguet, d'Ardhuy, Dujac, Chandon de Briailles, and our favorite local Disorderly, Brezeme.

I have posted some pictures.

I have also posted my travelog and TNs here on WD, but I had to spoof the file extensions so let me tell you how to get them:click the linkdownload the filechange the extension (remove ".jpg")...and the resulting bunch of bits should open in your local document or spreadsheet program.

I want to thank a few people who helped me to get my head into the right place while planning the trip: Claude Kolm, Keith Levenberg, and Steve Plotnicki.

( I have made a feeble preview-ish effort to post all those words here but it didn't look right. If enough Disorderlies have trouble then I'll try again. But you're a clever bunch; I know you'll find a way. )
 
Not a bad trip.

While it was good for you that Chandon de Briailles had so much wine to sell, was that because they make a relatively large amount or is there just not enough demand for their gentle style? A shame either way.
 
Not a bad trip
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It was exhausting, occasionally, but I enjoyed it a lot. Everyone was quite nice to us. Needed just a bit more sunlight.

While it was good for you that Chandon de Briailles had so much wine to sell, was that because they make a relatively large amount or is there just not enough demand for their gentle style? A shame either way.
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The latter, I think.
 
You're making me jealous that I couldn't make it this year.

Great for you that they had wine for sale at Chandon de Brailles.
 
originally posted by Chris Coad:
I can't download anything, it just crashes my browser. Why are your notes saved as a JPEG?
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Chris,

On a Mac, Ctrl-click on the link and select "Download linked file as..." Save the file and remove the .jpg extension. You should be able to open the file from there.
 
Ditto here; I apparently need an Office disc to install some necessary extension, and the nearest one of those (that I own) is two hours away.
 
They save fine. They open fine. But, they're both blank when they are done opening. I, too, am on a Mac. Maybe I need the same plug-in that Thor needs. It doesn't give me an error though.
 
Jeff,
FWIW, it worked exactly as you said on my PC using IE.
Most impressive, although I'm not sure I understand the comments about premox and how to stop it. Are they saying they avoid sulpher at the press?
Best, Jim
 
originally posted by Lee Short:
You're making me jealous that I couldn't make it this year.

Great for you that they had wine for sale at Chandon de Brailles.
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Stephane Ogier told us to work on you.

Consider your arm twisted. (This is just the beginning... you have other appendages...)
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:

Most impressive, although I'm not sure I understand the comments about premox and how to stop it. Are they saying they avoid sulpher at the press?
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Your question isn't clear.

The two of them (Texier, Fourrier) said that they get a lot of oxygen into the juice so that the wine is, later, keepable with normal or less sulfur. Texier credits the monks, Fourrier credits a molecule. Neither one talked about sulfur at press time.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Florida Jim:

Most impressive, although I'm not sure I understand the comments about premox and how to stop it. Are they saying they avoid sulpher at the press?
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Your question isn't clear.

The two of them (Texier, Fourrier) said that they get a lot of oxygen into the juice so that the wine is, later, keepable with normal or less sulfur. Texier credits the monks, Fourrier credits a molecule. Neither one talked about sulfur at press time.
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Jeff,
My question is based on the fact that many winemakers add sulpher at the press to avoid excessive oxidation and, of course, for the antiseptic properties.
So I assume what these guys are doing is avoiding that addition and perhaps, using some technique to get more air into the juice at the time of press - say a delestage-like technique of some sort.
And so, it appears that an idea that is counter-intuitive is actually effective. Not a unique event in winemaking.
Best, Jim
 
originally posted by lars makie:
They save fine. They open fine. But, they're both blank when they are done opening. I, too, am on a Mac. Maybe I need the same plug-in that Thor needs. It doesn't give me an error though.
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I had a similar problem when I tried following the procedure that Jeff outlined in his post. An empty (0 bytes) file was downloaded. Explicitly saving the files via Ctrl-click worked on my Mac with both Safari and Firefox. A similar technique also worked on my Linux PC using Firefox, though that uses a right-click to pull up the menu that allows downloading.

I took Thor's comment about needing an Office disk as a problem with opening the downloaded files using Word or Excel rather than a browser problem, though I may well be wrong about that. I was able to open the files on my Linux machine using OpenOffice, an open source suite of programs that can handle Microsoft .doc and .xls formats. I did, however, lose Jeff's embedded comment about his rating scale in OpenOffice. Ah, the joys of cross-platform issues.
 
I took Thor's comment about needing an Office disk as a problem with opening the downloaded files using Word or Excel rather than a browser problem, though I may well be wrong about that.
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No, you're right. It's looking for a conversion utility of some sort. I suspect it doesn't actually need the disc for the utility, but instead wants to check that I have a license, though I could be wrong about that.

Open Office is something I intend to switch to as soon as I can devote a little time to studying it.
 
The PDF loses the one-and-only cell comment, as Steve reported, so here it is:

My rating scale for walkaround events began as a shorthand for whether to purchase, hence "+" for yes, "-" for no, and "o" for maybe. If I encounter something that excites or disgusts me, I will put more + or - on it, up to three.

I don't recall when I started to use "(x)" to indicate "nearly x". Anyway, in the moment the shorthand works for me, but I will render it into simple numerics because no one else can follow this arcana. (Even I am unlikely to be able to follow it in a few months....)

Thus, the table of translations (no "--" or "---" this time):

      - as -1
      o     0
    (+)     0.5
      +     1
   (++)     1.5
     ++     2
  (+++)     2.5
    +++     3
 
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