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Thor

Thor Iverson
Zind Humbrecht 2005 Riesling (Alsace) 12% on the label, indice 1. That means dry, or at least dry to the taste. Is it? Yes, more or less; theres so much intensity than theres a definite sensation of sweetness, but the wine never tastes sugar, and the finish is quite dry. Otherwise, the dominant features of the wine are a laser-like acidity, the naked scent of sweaty lemongrass, and a hugeness that indicates a wine pushed to its limits. Is this a good or bad thing? It always depends, and this wine is as much on the fence as is this taster. (9/08)

Berres 1998 rziger Wrzgarten Riesling Sptlese 06 99 (Mosel-Saar-Ruwer) Faint at first, but it grows into itself a bit. Yet it never quite reaches the rung it should grasp, remaining dusty and drying, despite good length. Theres a lack of presence, and also of the texture and mineral-spice of older riesling. A closed stage, then? Perhaps. (9/08)

Wlffer Estate Cabernet Franc (The Hamptons) Bell pepper soup with blueberries on top. Not an appealing combination. Ive had the very, very, very occasional success from Long Island, but most of them have tasted like this (or overoaked versions thereof). At least this has the virtue of not being Hamptons-priced, as so many of its neighbors are, though at around $20 its still asking about twice what its worth. (4/09)

Siduri 2006 Pinot Noir (Willamette Valley) The immediate aromatic impression is of walking into a furniture factory: freshly-cut wood (not, I need to clarify, a comment on the wines levage), paint, and varnish, all powerfully intense. Then comes light fruit thats been charred to dark anger, perhaps with some beet and blood orange rind, which make me think that this could be a good ringer in a tasting of the Central Otagos brawniest styles. Theres bright acidity throughout, the alcohol (14.1%) is felt but does not intrude, balance is mostly achieved, and the wines by no means actively unpleasant to drink (though its a little assaultive to smell), butwell, I feel like Im drinking a tightly-clenched fist. This is a wine that wants to take a swing at someone. (4/09)

Lafage 2006 Vin de Pays des Ctes Catalanes ct SUD (Roussillon) Boisterous fruitiness (large, wet berries), a touch of smoke, and the faintest whiff of something earthier, with a little cedary structure from minority partner cabernet sauvignon. Pure fun. (4/09)

Scavino 2001 Langhe Sorriso (Piedmont) The must that overwhelms this wine is not that of cork contamination, but rather the stale aroma that seems common to overaged whites that were never meant to age in the first place. (4/09)
 
the naked scent of sweaty lemongrass
You really shouldn't make your lemongrass work out so hard. It may boost the aroma, but the texture becomes way too tough.

Bell pepper soup with blueberries on top. Not an appealing combination.
This reminds me of my problem with many Carneros Merlots (another area of shallow soil and large nearby water). They want the "balance" that comes with the terroir but are afraid of green flavors, so they let it hang there and you end up with unctous sweet flavor and texture mingling (badly) with the vegetal. I find the combo worse than having a somewhat green and underripe wine followed by a gobster.

This is a wine that wants to take a swing at someone.
Or maybe it just wants to be left along to mellow for a few years?
 
Are you talking about wine or certain politicians?
Now, now...

They want the "balance" that comes with the terroir but are afraid of green flavors, so they let it hang there and you end up with unctous sweet flavor and texture mingling (badly) with the vegetal. I find the combo worse than having a somewhat green and underripe wine followed by a gobster.
Agreed. I've had exactly one good cabernet franc from Long Island (Schneider 2005 Cabernet Franc Le Breton), which is equal to the number of good wines I've had from Long Island, so I didn't expect a whole lot. But still...

Or maybe it just wants to be left along to mellow for a few years?
Gut reaction = no. The materials just seem wrong. But if someone else wants to do the experiment for me, I'd be happy to assess the results.
 
i've been less and less impressed with Z-H as time passes and the sweetness and alc rise....that said, the "lowly" riesling has been the last for me to give up. none in the cellar at the moment....maybe i'll just wait for a crappy weather vintage.
 
Agreed. I've had exactly one good cabernet franc from Long Island (Schneider 2005 Cabernet Franc Le Breton), which is equal to the number of good wines I've had from Long Island, so I didn't expect a whole lot.
That was the year they bought the grapes, right?
 
i've been less and less impressed with Z-H as time passes and the sweetness and alc rise
Personally, I think they've had consistent issues for many years now. There are hits (and occasional home runs), but they're a minority, and usually happen at the ultra-sweet level. I realize that this, too, is a minority position, but were they stripped of the reputation, they'd be a middle-tier producer for me. Which makes the prices absurd.

Then again, I don't like Deiss or Ostertag either.

That was the year they bought the grapes, right?
From Bourgueil?
 
one of these days, i hope to get my hands on some boxler, Thor. never had any.

have you tried any Tempe? that sort of winemaking attracts me more than cosmology...(but i realize the proof's in the glass..)
 
originally posted by Thor:
Yes, a lot. I've never had one I'd buy again. I want to like them, but never do.

would love to hear what you haven't liked about the wines. they do seem like they have the potential for being "interesting" at the least.
 
Mostly, they've been dull. Clumsy. Ham-handed. Like paint-by-the-numbers knockoffs of actual wine. At least with someone like Ostertag, I can taste the striving and the authenticity, even though I think he often fucks it up. With Temp, the wines never even get started.
 
ps - forgot to ask: what is it in this producer's case that makes you "want to like the wines"?

i only ask, because i've been in that position plenty
 
maybe that's the risk of this style of "hands-off" winemaking?
It isn't usually. But as a generalization (with exceptions), I find it to be more true in Alsace than elsewhere.

what is it in this producer's case that makes you "want to like the wines"?
They seem to have their hearts in the right place, and they're widely available in the States. (Or at least used to be; I see them far less often these days.)
 
hmmmm......hearts in the right place.......was hoping you might be a little bit more specific in terms of what was the attraction in the first place.
 
Not really much more to it; in theory, I like their practices (or perhaps more specifically, lack thereof). But I'd rather have good wine.
 
Nope.

I have an (I guess controversial) theory that biodynamie and Alsace generally don't go together, though even I can come up with plenty of exceptions. But I think most of the biodynamic producers fail in various ways, sometimes as a rule, other times due to inconsistency. Why this might be, I couldn't possibly even guess. And as I said, it's controversial, since many of the biodynamic producers are revered by others. The only two (that I taste often enough) upon which I feel I can rely are Barms-Buecher and Josmeyer.

This is a gross generalization, but where the wines so-produced tend to go wrong, for my palate, is in achieving a surplus of density with little or no substance behind it. An alternative way of saying that is that they lack precision/focus/nerve, or that they blur their terroir and/or their cpage. Neither density nor power is a virtue in isolation, though it appears that I'm in the minority in believing this when it comes to the wines of Alsace. But for some reason, this is the dominant fault I find in biodynamic Alsatian wines, as if every year was 1997 or 2003.
 
Regarding biodynamic producers in Alsace, I think if you rank your preferences on one axis and their average yields on another (correcting for vine density), there might be some correlation. I recall that Josmeyer had higher yields than Deiss or Ostertag, at least.

Maybe it's biodynamie and Riesling? Who's really good? Nikolaihof? Who else?
 
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