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evan hansen
Evan Hansen
Thoughts:
-- The Pinon brut is arguably the best wine in the bubblies, but the description is the least accessible. Can you re-word it to encourage consumption (you know, drinking... not tuberculosis)?
-- Does "chablis meets Vouvray" mean enough to most people who eat at Slows?
-- the Wasserman Pinot? Really? Hrmpf.
-- Along the same lines, can you beg your distributors to form a pipeline from Joseph Swan? If you're going to have any American Zins and Pinot Noirs, those would be ideal. The Zin has been spotted recently in Papa Joe's in the 'burbs, and in the past year, a lot of 04 and 05 Pinot Noir from them showed up in a handful of restaurants in the area (Forest Grill and Melange and Vinology in Ann Arbor among them).
-- This might seem stupid to point out, but should you italicize the "and" in "inky and refreshing" for the Pif? The two seem opposed in the popular lexicon.
-- The Pinon brut is arguably the best wine in the bubblies, but the description is the least accessible. Can you re-word it to encourage consumption (you know, drinking... not tuberculosis)?
-- Does "chablis meets Vouvray" mean enough to most people who eat at Slows?
-- the Wasserman Pinot? Really? Hrmpf.
-- Along the same lines, can you beg your distributors to form a pipeline from Joseph Swan? If you're going to have any American Zins and Pinot Noirs, those would be ideal. The Zin has been spotted recently in Papa Joe's in the 'burbs, and in the past year, a lot of 04 and 05 Pinot Noir from them showed up in a handful of restaurants in the area (Forest Grill and Melange and Vinology in Ann Arbor among them).
-- This might seem stupid to point out, but should you italicize the "and" in "inky and refreshing" for the Pif? The two seem opposed in the popular lexicon.
Putnam Weekley
putnam
excellent
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I tasted 2004 trenton Estate Pinot Noir from Joseph Swan thanks to Peter Woods, the local provider. He made a point that the clones were from La tache. It was a perfectly delicious wine. I wish I could afford to drink it.
His cheapest Swan wine would be more expensive than any wine on the list above.
A crazy dude once told me, Papa Joe's and various other outlets make a business of pursuing angles and advantages. He considered it a game that ultimately devolved into crude payola, and it dragged down the quality of the wine overall, but it promoted needful consumer behavior ...
but I have no idea myself.
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I tasted 2004 trenton Estate Pinot Noir from Joseph Swan thanks to Peter Woods, the local provider. He made a point that the clones were from La tache. It was a perfectly delicious wine. I wish I could afford to drink it.
His cheapest Swan wine would be more expensive than any wine on the list above.
A crazy dude once told me, Papa Joe's and various other outlets make a business of pursuing angles and advantages. He considered it a game that ultimately devolved into crude payola, and it dragged down the quality of the wine overall, but it promoted needful consumer behavior ...
but I have no idea myself.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
The Husch needs a price.
The last 4 "Meaty Dark Reds" need a bin number.
The "Dessert Wines" need a by-the-glass symbol.
Why does the Altesse deserve a percentage?
"Class 'A' vineyards" ???
The last 4 "Meaty Dark Reds" need a bin number.
The "Dessert Wines" need a by-the-glass symbol.
Why does the Altesse deserve a percentage?
"Class 'A' vineyards" ???
Levi Dalton
Levi Dalton
Class A vineyards makes sense.
"Unusually detailed and structured for Sicilian red" doesn't, and plays into popular misunderstanding of what is going on in Sicily right now.
"Unusually detailed and structured for Sicilian red" doesn't, and plays into popular misunderstanding of what is going on in Sicily right now.
evan hansen
Evan Hansen
Putt... I've got no doubt that Swan wines can be pricey in Michigan. I wouldn't know since I buy all of them from the winery. That said, the Trenton Estate you mention is the most expensive wine they sell by a significant amount. On a recent visit, that wine was nearly $60/bottle. The zins were in the $20-25 range. The cheapest pinots were in the 20-35 range. More expensive than the Wasserman, I imagine. But substantially better and good for the price, IMO.
Regarding the Altesse... I took the 100% to be a sly indicator to those "in the know" that altesse was the grape since it didn't fit in the one line description. That said, I agree that it looks out of place.
Regarding the Altesse... I took the 100% to be a sly indicator to those "in the know" that altesse was the grape since it didn't fit in the one line description. That said, I agree that it looks out of place.
Putnam Weekley
putnam
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Only the 2006 Trenton is so expensive. The others are half that.
The phrase "Class 'A' vineyards" sounds like you're trying too hard to impress someone.
The phrase "Class 'A' vineyards" sounds like you're trying too hard to impress someone.
Josh Fontaine
Josh Fontaine
negotiant is spelled "negociant"
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
Heirloom vines?
Peter Creasey
Peter Creasey
Only one Zin??
The varietal I like best with BBQ (and most any tomato based preparation) is almost always Zin.
. . . . . . Pete
The varietal I like best with BBQ (and most any tomato based preparation) is almost always Zin.
. . . . . . Pete
Putnam Weekley
putnam
I am very much obliged to all. changes made.
regarding Joseph Swan, I've been troubling our local rep for better deals since 2007. the cheapest Swan Zin in Michigan is ~$30 SRP (say, $45 restaurant), strangely the trenton Pinot Noir is priced like the winery at $60 SRP ... perhaps Papa Joe's is a preferred customer.
if anyone wants to see the changes, they are here:
regarding Joseph Swan, I've been troubling our local rep for better deals since 2007. the cheapest Swan Zin in Michigan is ~$30 SRP (say, $45 restaurant), strangely the trenton Pinot Noir is priced like the winery at $60 SRP ... perhaps Papa Joe's is a preferred customer.
if anyone wants to see the changes, they are here:
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www.detroitdrinks.com
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
Hrtiques.
Also, as long as we're accenting, ngociant.
Also, I know it's a niggle, but how can a Pinot Noir be like a Fleurie? I mean, I know it can be and you're talking about the granite soil, but...
lars makie
lars makie
Maybe it's just me, but I personally find the "Wine is like barbecue sauce made from grapes" line confusing. Do you need it? Is there some other descriptor/analogy that can be used. If I'm the only one, never mind.
The only other thing that jumped out to me, besides some of the other comments above, is the description under the Tue-Boeuf Gamay. That would be one of the wines that I would be most interested in trying, but I think I'd be much more apt to buy it if I know more of what it tasted like rather than who made it.
Anyway, looking pretty good. Are you now working with Slows or are you just helping out with their list?
The only other thing that jumped out to me, besides some of the other comments above, is the description under the Tue-Boeuf Gamay. That would be one of the wines that I would be most interested in trying, but I think I'd be much more apt to buy it if I know more of what it tasted like rather than who made it.
Anyway, looking pretty good. Are you now working with Slows or are you just helping out with their list?
Putnam Weekley
putnam
Pete, maybe its the specific dry rub used at Slows, but we've found that many high alcohol/low acid wines can be harsh with our food. the combination can be awkwardly filling, and the spice seems to bring out a bitter aspect of the alcohol flavors.
the same bias probably shows in the absence of Shiraz and Priorat wine.
For vendors I've been framing the target as 'the wine equivalent of iced tea and lemonade.'
Also, I've found it near impossible to find much decent Zinfandel in Michigan for a reasonable price. Castle Rock's 2005 Mendocino was one of my favorites this decade, but stocks vaporized almost instantly, to be replaced by a ho-hum 2006.
I think the Starry Night is on the right side of the spectrum, for this menu.
what Zins do you suggest?
And can I assume you've never enjoyed a tue-Boeuf gamay with slow smoked pork butt? I never thought it could "stand up" to the food. Boy was I wrong! Slows has been going through numerous cases of Puzelat and tue-Boeuf wines this past year (with only 100 seats).
the same bias probably shows in the absence of Shiraz and Priorat wine.
For vendors I've been framing the target as 'the wine equivalent of iced tea and lemonade.'
Also, I've found it near impossible to find much decent Zinfandel in Michigan for a reasonable price. Castle Rock's 2005 Mendocino was one of my favorites this decade, but stocks vaporized almost instantly, to be replaced by a ho-hum 2006.
I think the Starry Night is on the right side of the spectrum, for this menu.
what Zins do you suggest?
And can I assume you've never enjoyed a tue-Boeuf gamay with slow smoked pork butt? I never thought it could "stand up" to the food. Boy was I wrong! Slows has been going through numerous cases of Puzelat and tue-Boeuf wines this past year (with only 100 seats).
lars makie
lars makie
Well, I guess you can discredit my second comment above.