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Thor

Thor Iverson
Studert-Prm 2003 Wehlener Sonnenuhr Riesling Auslese ** 11 04 (Mosel-Saar-Ruwer) 375 ml. Makrut lime leaf and iron dust, extremely sweet, and not acidic enough. In a vacuum, that wouldnt be so bad, but knowing what it is kinda detracts from the impression; in that absence, it tastes a lot like a vendange tardive Alsatian riesling from a middle-tier producer in a middling year. Knowing the vintage mitigates the disappointment a bit, but this is still not a wine one will want to have bought in quantity. The finish is shortish, as well. Still, theres hardly anything wrong with it, it does speak (to an extent) of its place and its grape, and one could drink a lot worse. (4/09)

Schloss Schnborn 2005 Erbacher Marcobrunn Riesling Kabinett 019 06 (Rheingau) Extremely sweet, with wet acidity; this could be an auslese by its character, though it wouldnt be a very good one, because it lacks much aside from the basic fact of its structure and a swoosh of tropicality. The problem is that its not a very good kabinett either; even by modern standards, its hellishly large. Only by ignoring classifications can the wines actual appeal be assessedand there, its tasty enough. Maybe age will help, but I suspect not all that much of it. (4/09)

Txomin Etxaniz 2007 Getariako Txakolina Getaria (Northwest Spain) Somewhere between perlant and ptillant, and yanking the promise of electric greenness so far to the left that the wine turns to a blinding shade of whiteslashing, shocking, but never alighting. I dig it. Theres more than can be done with this grape, and Id call this txakolina 1.5 (that is, not quite the 2.0 of Ameztoi), but even this much is awfully appealing with the right chill and the right food (saline, with a shell or carapace, and not otherwise doused with flavorants). (4/09)

Sogrape Vinha do Monte 2006 Alentejano (Portugal) Dark, earth-clad berries with a fair amount of internal darkness. The structure, while still present, is already showing the initial signs of erosion. But the wines in a very good place at the moment, with or without food. (4/09)

Almanseas La Huella de Adaras 2005 Almansa (Levant) Purple fruit, focused and cylindrical, into which hints and allegations of black dirt cannot penetrate far. Its young, yet it already seems to be all the way to wherever its getting. Juicy and gluggarrific. (4/09)
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
"Somewhere between prlant and ptillant, . . ."

Can you explain this to me?
Thanks, Jim

Perlant is very lightly sparkling whereas ptillant is fizzier, although neither are full-on mousseaux sparkling.

I'm not sure of the origins of those words, but I've always thought of perlant as relating to tiny pearls, ptillant as relating to something that picks at the tongue, and mousseaux is actually full-blown mousse.

I'll let Thor's excessive use of accents slide...
 
originally posted by Thor:Schloss Schnborn 2005 Erbacher Marcobrunn Riesling Kabinett 019 06 (Rheingau) Extremely sweet...Maybe age will help, but I suspect not all that much of it.

So will you be doing the aging experiment yourself?
 
I can't see why he would bother. Schonborn isn't worth cellar space right now. Besides, in ten years Garagiste will run some special with "world class, can't miss kabinett" of the same wine. It won't be any better, but at least the cellaring is on them (or the estate).
 
Can you explain this to me?
Apparently, there was a sale on acute accents. But otherwise, see Rahsaan.

So will you be doing the aging experiment yourself?
That was the only bottle, so if you can convince my :, yes. Otherwise, no.

Frank, we're going this October, so I need to practice. I find that it's not helping.
 
Does Txomin Etxaniz 2007 Getariako Txakolina Getaria have natural fermentation CO2 or is it CO2 injected?

I wonder.

I suspect (on my palate) that the CO2 is just less than bar and being less than 1 bar it cannot be called (in the EU) ptillant or semi-sparkling or vino de aguja or frizzante.

On not being legally sem-sparkling it does not have to state "carbonated" if indeed it is.

Txakoli is for fresh drinking and I don't think holds its own into the next vintage.

For DO Txakolina Getaria my own favourite is Talai Berri.

Talai-Berri White Txakoli white is traditionally crisp and zingy.

They also produce White Txakoli Jakue made exclusively from "Hondarrabi Zuri". In contrast to the traditional Txakolis, Jakue is much softer almost buttery Chardonnay-like, and lower acidity. More commercial I suppose.

Made from Hondarrabi Beltza they also produce a red.

talaiberri.5.jpg
That's the coastal route of the Camino de Santiago in the valley.

And here is the winemaker Itziar Eizagirre

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we had the 08 extaniz last night, and our first txacoli....lovely, but a bit perplexing in that it showed oxidized notes in addition to what your tn's say, Thor.....sort of like Jura (or Jerez) meets Nantes. i loved it actually, but i think i just lucked out with a delightfully weird off bottle. it made me think that if this was not intended, someone out there should intend it.
 
I'm going to guess that the "perlant/ptillant" effect is achieved the same way as in a lot of vinho verde blanco, by adding back a little fresh juice immediately after fermentation.
 
originally posted by David M. Bueker:
I can't see why he would bother. Schonborn isn't worth cellar space right now. Besides, in ten years Garagiste will run some special with "world class, can't miss kabinett" of the same wine. It won't be any better, but at least the cellaring is on them (or the estate).

Bueker siting!
 
originally posted by The Wine Mule:
I'm going to guess that the "perlant/ptillant" effect is achieved the same way as in a lot of vinho verde blanco, by adding back a little fresh juice immediately after fermentation.

I've been told by Jose Pastor that most of the txakoli producers are adding co2 before bottling.
 
originally posted by Thor:

Almanseas La Huella de Adaras 2005 Almansa (Levant)
Meaningless factoid: this is from near my neck-of-the-woods (BTW - Levant? sounds like Lebanon in the 1920s), Almansa, the only appellation in Europe where alicante bouschet (which we call garnacha tintorera) is the main variety. This is 60% alicante bouschet, 30% monastrell/mourvdre, 10% syrah. Their top wine, Adaras, is 100% alicante bouschet. I was just telling Paul Draper today (heavy name-dropping here), over some Raveneau and Martinetti, where this sea of alicante is located, just in case he craves making more of it...
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Joel Stewart:
(so where does txacoli differ from muscadet....or vinho verde, for that matter?)
Different grapes, different places... or is that not what you meant?

that much i knew....sorry. just a dumb theoretical question.

in my mind, the light, perlant aspect seems common....just curious how people would describe the subtle differences.
 
(BTW - Levant? sounds like Lebanon in the 1920s)
Sorry. Completely arbitrary-to-my-database division based on some guy's book, for sorting purposes, that I can't change without massive difficulty at this point. I recommend you ignore it.

the only appellation in Europe where alicante bouschet (which we call garnacha tintorera) is the main variety
If I'd known, I wouldn't have liked it, because I'm sure it's Not Allowed™.
 
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