TN: German, Alsatian and Champagne with Szechuan.

Brad Kane

Brad Kane
Last Wednesday, at the behest of one Christine Huang, seven locals gathered at Szechuan Gourmet's newest Gotham location, which, coincidentally, happens to be located near Ms. Huang's newish Manhattan digs. How convenient.

I must confess that while I like the original location at 39th and 5th, I've never been blown away by it the way some of my friends have been and I generally prefer the food at Grand Sichuan. However, this new 56th St. between Broadway and 8th Avenue location changed all that. The food was insanely good and though spicy, was not hell hot (we stayed away from the dishes with 5 chili signs next to them), which allowed the ingredients to show a full palette of flavors. Though I still think the tea smoked duck at Grand Sichuan is much better, overall I think this may be the best Szechuan food in the city at the moment.

Given the theme, whites with sugar were in order. Now, I'm going to go on the record as saying that while I think these types of wines work just fine with spicy cuisine, I honestly feel beer or sweet iced tea works better. There's just no escaping the fact that hot chilies and Szechuan peppercorns make it hard to discern nuance in wines and when you decide to open wines like Riesling, which are site driven and full of subtlety, you lose something. That said, a fun time was had by all and most of the wines showed well.

Cheers,

Brad

1995 Charles Heidsieck- Champagne Blanc des Millnaires
Fresh and crisp with good fruit and a medium bead. Nicely red appley with biscuits and mineral. Low A-.

2007 Bott-Geyl- Gewurztraminer "Les lments"
Nicely aromatic. Typically Gewurzy with lichy, ginger and flowers, but not too in your face. Oily textured with some sweetness and like flavors as aromas with the ginger playing a more prominent role. Some bitterness and a touch of alcohol on the finish, though this was my favorite wine of the night with the food as the ginger spiciness and sweetness married well with the chilies and especially the Szechuan peppercorns. B+.

1985 Benedict Loosen-Erben- Riesling Sptlese ***, Urziger Wrzgarten, Mosel-Saar-Ruwer
A surprisingly youthful blond color. Smoky slate and petrol dominates the nose with hints of peach. Still has a little sweetness, but it's undoubtedly drier than it was on release. Full with beautiful minerality, citrus and peach flavors. Mature with the structure starting to be more prominent and the fruit receding a bit. This is one I would've liked to have lingered with without all the chilies in my mouth. Low A-.

2003 Zind-Humbrecht- Pinot Gris, Herrenweg de Turckheim
I'm a big fan of the estate and Olivier, but I've had serious concerns with his '03's since I first tried them on release. Given the torrid vintage and uneven ripeness and balance that ensued, many of Olivier's wines were vinified drier than usual and that resulted in some extreme alcohol levels. I was not confidant that these would hold up well and this bottle, along with the Rotenberg that followed, unfortunately confirmed my hunch. There is very little here other than alcohol. Maybe a touch of smoke and yellow fruit, but they're fleeting. Aggressively bitter on the finish. Ordinarily Olivier consistently makes some of my favorite wines from the region. D.

2003 Zind-Humbrecht- Pinot Gris, Rotenberg
Same alcohol problem as the Herrenweg, but with a little more fruit showing. C-/D+.

1995 Lorentz- Riesling, altenberg de Bergheim
Shows classic and classy. Petrol, stone fruit, citrus and yellow flowers aromas. It's dry yet well-rounded and ripe on the palate with similar flavors as aromas, with more of a mineral and yellow citrus character with the stone fruits in the background. Has a nice weight and mouthfeel. Really pleasant to sip. A-.

2001 Dnnhoff- Riesling Sptlese, Norheimer Kirschheck, Nahe
A brilliant wine, but still pretty much shut down. Not much going on aromatically and on the palate you can tell there are great ingredients there, but they're still coming together. Tremendous depth and structure, but showing a bit chunky with a lack of focus. Mineral and stone fruits dominate at the moment with floral notes and the wine still shows primary sweetness. A- now, but with A potential.

1989 Schlossgut Diel- Riesling Sptlese, Dorsheimer Goldloch, Nahe
Intensely mineral with a good dose of petrol flavors and aromas supported by peach and mango. Largely dry at this point with a real projection of power across the palate due to its formidable structure. Shows a real serious side and is another one I would've preferred to mull over without spicy food. Low A-.

2001 Hexamer- Riesling Auslese, Meddersheimer Rheingrafenberg, Nahe
The doors are wide open for business on this one. It's opulent and care free, full of nectarine, peach, red fruit, orange citrus and mineral flavors and aromas in a forward package. Integrated and drinking well now, though no rush at all. A nice wine to wrap up with, though it probably would've been one of the better wines with the food due to its sweetness level and less subtle personality. A-.

Some pics from the evening:

The lineup.

Christine prays for spicy while Bill is resigned to his fate.

Watch out, Bill! Those cukes are spicy!

Pop goes the cork!

Me & Bill.

Paul & Suzanne.

Kenny & Brent.

The other side of the table.

Pork Buns excite Christine.

Brent pours as Kenny watches.

Bill reads German.

Down the hatch!
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
What about the Lorentz and the Zilliken?

Whoops. Forgot to include my note on the Lorentz, which was beautiful. Forgot to try the Zilliken as it was opened after all the food had been served while we were waiting for the check.

When I get home I'll edit to add the Lorentz.
 
originally posted by Brad Kane:
Added the Lorentz note, Claude.
Thanks. They've recently started coming in here again after, what, nearly 30 years since Kermit gave them up (for Z-H)? I'll have to investigate.
 
Lorentz has been a solid and frequently very good producer that I, like Claude, have had a terrible time finding in the States. But I think I have that very bottle. Seems like there's no hurry to get to it.
 
anyone know how the 02 lorentz pinot gris from that vyd is? it's one of the few interesting whites on the winelist at blackbird, chicago, and I'm dining there thursday night and trying to figure out what to order off the list (carrying in a 2000 cathiard vosne "en orveaux").
 
The only '03 Zind that I have is the PG Windsbuhl--I hope it turns out better than your two.

I also prefer sweet tea with very hot food. It doesn't take much to burn out my palate.
 
Maureen, I haven't had it since release, but it was not dry then and almost certainly isn't now. (It's not a dessert wine, either.) It was powerful without being especially big, with a mineral core; that I'm not sure will still be true, because if it ages like I predicted, it might be a little pinched at the moment. But this could all be wrong, and the wine might be open for business. I quite liked it at release, though I'm not sure how many things it would go with.

You noticed that the Lorentz is a 375, right?

If the white's a matter of lesser importance, I would probably go with the Pinon or the Graville-Lacoste (though I don't know if you like any of those grapes). Probably the former. If you want something chancier and pricier, why not the Rolly Gassmann '96? Not my favorite grape from that house, but they do age better than they taste young, and this should be early/ready.
 
I'll keep an eye out for Lorentz...

Speaking of Alsatian producers I'm less familiar with, what's the Disorderly take on Rolly Gassmann? I ran into the wines at one of the big distributor's tastings, but by the time I got to the table my palate was shot to the point of only able to register a vague sense of "Ahhh, Alsace."
 
They make far too many wines, which is one of my favorite things about them. We weren't yet done at 50, and Claude has (I think) surpassed 70, still probably not tasting each and every wine they have available.

They don't have great recognized sites, and many of their bottlings' sources are rare or unique enough that it's hard to say if they're living up to their potential or not. When the sites are better-known, RG seems to be at least inhabiting the upper tier, in most cases.

I think riesling is their worst grape, but I believe Claude disagrees with this. I think they're terrific with gewurztraminer and muscat, very good with pinot gris, sylvaner, and auxerrois, and occasionally not-at-all-bad with pinot noir. I think that, in general (and this is very general), they're more reliable below the late-harvest designation, though some of the late-harvest wines are extremely impressive.

They've produced the only Alsatian muscat SGN I've ever owned, and only the second one I've ever tasted.

They're undervalued at XC prices, and that holds true even under the current exchange rates. I so rarely see them in the States that I have no idea how to assess value in their peer group, but what I've seen suggests that they're sometimes pricey but more often all over the map.

I think you should visit.

Overall, I'd consider them in the upper range of producers, though not putting any fear into those at the top. (Gewurztraminer by itself, however...definitely at or very near the top.) I'm not sure if either of those assessments is useful, though. Anyone who produces that many wines is going to have variable quality, almost inherently.
 
I actually did substantially over a hundred wines on a visit a long time ago.

I pretty much agree with Thor. I don't fancy the Riesling "Pflaenzerreben" but I do like some of their other Rieslings quite a bit. Objectively, they're not superstars of the region (at least partly because they don't have any great vineyards -- not a single grand cru), but in spite of that, they are at or near the top of my favorites in Alsace.

The wines have a Germanic-like acidity which allows them to support residual sugar, which they sometimes have, much more acceptably than the wines of other Alsatian producers. The acidity also gives a raciness to them.

The wines age very, very well. I remember having a 1981 Gewurztraminer at a restaurant in Burgundy in 2001 and it was amazingly fresh and young.
 
I've liked the Riesling "Pflaenzerreben" with age. We've visited there a couple of times and it's always a study in terroir (and endurance). We usually skip over the Pinots (Blanc and Noir, we taste the Gris) just in the interest of well....time? sanity? who knows.
 
originally posted by Thor:
Maureen, I haven't had it since release, but it was not dry then and almost certainly isn't now. (It's not a dessert wine, either.) It was powerful without being especially big, with a mineral core; that I'm not sure will still be true, because if it ages like I predicted, it might be a little pinched at the moment. But this could all be wrong, and the wine might be open for business. I quite liked it at release, though I'm not sure how many things it would go with.

You noticed that the Lorentz is a 375, right?

If the white's a matter of lesser importance, I would probably go with the Pinon or the Graville-Lacoste (though I don't know if you like any of those grapes). Probably the former. If you want something chancier and pricier, why not the Rolly Gassmann '96? Not my favorite grape from that house, but they do age better than they taste young, and this should be early/ready.

Thanks, Thor, I did notice - we are only three people and I'm carrying in a 2000 cathiard en orveaux - just thought we might want a drop of white - last time I was there I drank Pinon (04 I think) but they were offering it by the glass then. Just not sure we'll need a full bottle.
 
I find a disconnect between the nose and the palate with Rolly Gassmann. And this is speaking across grape varieties. The nose will seem developed and giving, and very stony. So much stony that there is a facile quality to the smokey, mineral bent. The palate will seem a bit mute and just sit there, non-dynamic. A lump.

This has happened to me repeatedly. With Riesling, Pinot Gris, and Auxerrois. With varying degrees of age and varying degrees of late picked.

I have found this disturbing. I expect so much more from the wine based on the nose than I actually get. It is almost ontological: what is a wine, really? The nose or the palate or some gestalt of the two (or three, or ?)?

Usually I think that the wines are more expensive here than they should be.

I had a 2001 Rolly Gassmann "Moenchreben de Rorschwihr" Auxerrois this evening. It lost push-pull with the minutes, and was less dynamic with time. At 20 minutes in it started to bore. At first the nose was striking. You would expect Clos Ste. Hune '94 or Donnhoff '98 from that nose. But the palate only delivered liquid, nothing more.
 
I had a 2001 Rolly Gassmann "Moenchreben de Rorschwihr" Auxerrois this evening. It lost push-pull with the minutes, and was less dynamic with time. At 20 minutes in it started to bore. At first the nose was striking. You would expect Clos Ste. Hune '94 or Donnhoff '98 from that nose. But the palate only delivered liquid, nothing more.
Well, from three years ago:

Rolly Gassmann 2001 Auxerrois Moenchreben (Alsace) Vividly spiced baked apple. This wine has incredible presence, but unfortunately, the finish is disappointingly short. [...] [T]his is on the way down.

Details of apple & spice aside, that would seem to be a predictable/predicted and consistent performance.

I really think one chooses gewurztraminer and muscat at this house. Some others. But mostly those two.
 
originally posted by Thor:

I really think one chooses gewurztraminer and muscat at this house. Some others. But mostly those two.

I was all primed to refute that statement with a real live note, but I looked and all I've got left is Gewurtz anyway.
 
Can anything be almost ontological?

I've liked R-G's wines, but find them difficult to pin down. I wouldn't say they inconsistent, but sometimes there doesn't seem like there's a house style either.
 
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