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I read that Mordoree was going to go biodynamic somewhere. I apologize if this is incorrect. I know it isn't now.

Chapoutier's non-negoce wines are sufficient to make my point. I would add to the list Montirius in Vacqueyras which is quite vigorously biodynamic and indeed doesn't use wood or other weird elevage practices that I know about but turns out wines that don't taste like Vacqueyras or Gigondas to me.

Here is a statement by Cambie:

Tous dmarre a la vigne, sans grand raisins les plus sain possible rien nest possible, cest pour cela que jai un gros faible pour lagriculture biologique et quun grosse majorit des domaines avec qui je travaille vont dans cette direction.
Je veux que tous les vins soit lexpression de leur terroir. Et surtout ne se ressemble en aucun point, leur seul ressemblance sera leur belle qualit.

Obviously this is not the same thing as a weakness for biodynamie and lots of people talk this way without it having much meaning. But, again perhaps incorrectly, I have heard that he is becoming enthusiastic about biodynamie.[/quote]

Hello,
There is in the new "Le Rouge & le Blanc" newspaper an long article about CdP with such statement of Cambie. It's a marketing guy's and nothing else. If Bush is the President, he is for Bush, if it's Obama, he is for Obama.
About Chapoutier, how can you be shure that the parcellaire wines doesn't includ negotiant wines ?
Best regards
pierre-alain
ps : about the next TV show of "Envoy Spcial", it should be possible to watch it on the website of France2.fr
 
As I said about Cambie, lots of people talk this way. But when enough people talk this way, it indicates something. For instance, by your logic, if Cambie's supporting Obama, it means Obama is President and not Bush.

Are you really saying that Chapoutier adulterates its various named cuvees with negociant wine? I don't know that they don't except that, with no information to the contrary, I have no reason to presume that they do. I also think that Shakespeare and not the Earl of Oxford wrote Shakespeare. It's a weakness of mine. Do you have any reason to believe that their named cuvees aren't made from the parcels they say they are?

In any case, my original point holds. Someone can farm biodynamically and do all kinds of things in the wine cellar. And whatever grapes Chapoutier is using, they are an example of someone who farms biodynamically and produces spoofulated. There are others.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

In any case, my original point holds. Someone can farm biodynamically and do all kinds of things in the wine cellar. And whatever grapes Chapoutier is using, they are an example of someone who farms biodynamically and produces spoofulated. There are others.
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Chapoutier has changed dramatically for the estate wines in recent years. As tough a critic as Jean-Louis Chave has even said that the Chapoutier wines are now good.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

In any case, my original point holds. Someone can farm biodynamically and do all kinds of things in the wine cellar. And whatever grapes Chapoutier is using, they are an example of someone who farms biodynamically and produces spoofulated. There are others.
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Chapoutier has changed dramatically for the estate wines in recent years. As tough a critic as Jean-Louis Chave has even said that the Chapoutier wines are now good.
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I'll have to try some again. But still not to the original point.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

In any case, my original point holds. Someone can farm biodynamically and do all kinds of things in the wine cellar. And whatever grapes Chapoutier is using, they are an example of someone who farms biodynamically and produces spoofulated. There are others.
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Chapoutier has changed dramatically for the estate wines in recent years. As tough a critic as Jean-Louis Chave has even said that the Chapoutier wines are now good.
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That's like receiving the Papal blessing, isn't it?!
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
Chapoutier has changed dramatically for the estate wines in recent years. As tough a critic as Jean-Louis Chave has even said that the Chapoutier wines are now good.
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what is being done differently?

and, given the prices of many of the wines, what wines are worth trying at a reasonable cost? say, under $30.
 
originally posted by scottreiner:
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
Chapoutier has changed dramatically for the estate wines in recent years. As tough a critic as Jean-Louis Chave has even said that the Chapoutier wines are now good.
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what is being done differently?

and, given the prices of many of the wines, what wines are worth trying at a reasonable cost? say, under $30.
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Scott -- I don't think there are any of the wines available at that price point. The cheapest of interest would be the St-Josephs and I think they're in the $40-45 range. (There are wines from Crozes, but, Crozes is Crozes.) But it's the Hermitages that are the real stars, and their prices are, frankly, not interesting. Balancing off the St-Jos and the Cornas in the future are new plantations that Chapoutier has been undertaking in those appellations and no one knows whether the vineyards will turn out to be any good.

Much more traditional winemaking and cutting way back on the new oak to not more than 20%, which I find to be at or near the limit for what Syrah can take. Other than the oak, I can't give you details because I'm not sure what they used to be doing. But the estate wines are way different now.
 
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