'07 Lapierre Morgon
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Levi Dalton
Levi Dalton
I've had this twice. Once was a bottle from so-so storage. It was fair enough. The other bottle was pristine and drinking otherwordly.
Levi Dalton
Levi Dalton
What I liked about it was that it was so layered and nuanced without weight.
Joel Stewart
Joel Stewart
i concur. the bottle i had was a stunner.
Is that generally true of all cru beaujolais? I had the Vissoux Cuvee Traditionelle [probably sic] and while I loved it, my sister wanted something heavier. I was going to open the Lapierre for my sister next, thinking it would be heavier, but it sounds like it doesn't have that much weight. What about Diochon Moulin a vent or a Fleurie or Brouilly from some other producer, heavier than Lapierre's Morgon?
Just for context, I opened up a Texier Cote du Rhone and she loved it. Any cru beaujolais with that type of weight?
And no, I am not my sister.
scottreiner
scott reiner
did you have these bottles in the us or in europe?
i have not had the 07 in europe, but the ones i had in nyc were nothing special. They did not have the vibrancy i usually associate with lapiere...
Joel Stewart
Joel Stewart
Scott I am in Japan. All the '07 Lapierres I've tried here in the last handful of months (Morgon, Le Cambon and several bottles of the Beaujolais) have been vibrant, to say the least. We just had another of the latter tonight and, with a quick decant, it was lovely. I'd never accuse any of these '07's of holding back on anything.
Yule, you may want to try the Le Cambon....fwiw, it's 14%, though I couldn't say it was appreciably "heavier" than the Morgon. I'm not sure I follow this line about wanting Beaujolais to be "heavier" anyway.
I wouldn't say I would want it to be heavier. I like beaujolais how it is. But I suppose I was just wondering whether I could find a beaujolais my sister would like or whether I should just try other wines when I have dinner with her. Sounds like the latter, which is a shame. I suppose I lean towards lightness while my sister leans towards heft, so the task is finding the happy medium that will satisfy us both.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
If you can find the right chianti, you might please both palates. My current favorites are Montesecondo and Val Delle Corti.
Mark Davis
Mark Davis
The bottles I've had (6 months or so go) have been a bit tannic and somewhat unapproachable - even from 375 - is that wearing off?
Steven Spielmann
Steven Spielmann
Yule,
They're more money, but Foillard Morgon Cote du Py and Descombes Morgon Vielles Vignes definitely have more moutwhweight then Lapierre and most Vissoux wines, and seem to be crowd-pleasers whenever I bring them out, even for the cab/shiraz crew.
They're more money, but Foillard Morgon Cote du Py and Descombes Morgon Vielles Vignes definitely have more moutwhweight then Lapierre and most Vissoux wines, and seem to be crowd-pleasers whenever I bring them out, even for the cab/shiraz crew.
Levi Dalton
Levi Dalton
The bottle I had at a restaurant downtown where they keep everything at room temperature behind the bar was so-so.
The bottle I tried from at the first day of the Winebow tasting was inspiring and amazing.
The two times I've tasted the '07 have also underwhelmed. I wasn't sure if I just caught it at the wrong time or if it was just something of an underperformer compared to Foillard and Thevenet in '07.
The '08 on the other hand is great right out of the blocks.
The '08 on the other hand is great right out of the blocks.
Was the Vissoux the 2007?
I could see that wine being particularly hard to enjoy for someone looking for more density and weight. The '07 Vissoux Traditionelle is about 11% abv, and while I thought it was a joyous thing with food, it was pretty sharply acidic on its own right now.
The Texier CdR seems closer to some Beaujolais in texture than most CdR, and for me that is a very good thing.
Tom Glasgow
Thomas W Glasgow
No need for a happy medium, open two bottles. The trick is to find a wine your sister will enjoy on Day Two.
Joel Stewart
Joel Stewart
Yule, fwiw, these Lapierres I've had are wines that are full of flavor. I bet if you served your sister a glass of the Morgon, or the Le Cambon in a black blind tasting glass, she would love it....assuming she goes for this sort of flavor profile to begin with. My point being that when wines deliver as much as these do (despite the lighter frame - and "lighter" does not mean "thin" here) they have at least the potential to supplant the need of some folks for their preferred "full bodied" wines. Then again, maybe not. You can only know by trying. In the end your sister may just like what she likes and that's that. Fair enough.
As for the issue of "mouthfeel" which seems to me to be somewhat separate from "weight", these wines all show a lovely silkiness and snap. All of the '07 Lapierres I've had so far to have incredible finesse in this regard. (Caveat: several forum members have commented about "off" or uninspired bottles of the '07's in the US....which may or may not be related to S02. I've had subtle bottle variation in the Beaujolais here in Japan, but every one has been drinkable, and enjoyable.)