Livre la royale & 8 CdP 2000 at the tgjp

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pab

pierre-alain benoit
Hello,
We made a great dinner at the tgjp in Paris last friday with Rahsaan, 8 cdp 2000 (Charvin, Marcoux, Clos des Papes, Beaucastel, Pgau, Ferrand, Vieux Donjon & Pierre Andr) and 2 Anjou 2003 from Richard Leroy.
See www.tgjp.com
Ask any questions on the forum and I will try to answer.
Best regards
pierre-alain benoit
 
Good times.

But I thought the magnum of Boulard remained closed. Or did that get opened after I left?

Otherwise, I pretty much agree with your assessments. The second bottle of Jacquesson was much better than the first, which seemed to be flawed/oxidized.

And I managed to survive all that Chateauneuf. The Pierre Andr was a particularly enjoyable surprise but Charvin and Ferrand were pretty darn fun as well. Marcoux as well, but it seemed a bit richer and less precise. Or maybe that was just my palate.
 
I'm surprised at the Pierre Andre. I very much like the 98, 99 and 01. When I last tasted the 00 (maybe 2 or 3 years ago), it tasted lighter and slightly more candied. I'm happy to see that further aging is treating it well. Or maybe we just don't agree about the wine. I like this producer but I find the wines variable.

I'm hardly surprised that Charvin and Marcoux showed well. They always do for me.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I'm surprised at the Pierre Andre. I very much like the 98, 99 and 01. When I last tasted the 00 (maybe 2 or 3 years ago), it tasted lighter and slightly more candied. I'm happy to see that further aging is treating it well. Or maybe we just don't agree about the wine. I like this producer but I find the wines variable.
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In the midst of my raving over the Pierre Andre (drinkable Chateauneuf at last!) PAB et al told me that the domaine has potential but is very uneven across the years. They also complained that it can get too ripe, which seems to support your candied note.

I don't claim that my enthusiasm (for the few glasses I drank) was scientifically definitive at all. But it was light but nuanced and that is certainly my kind of wine. Maybe it showed too well, but Friday night at that table (and with the food that matched oh-so well with Chateauneuf, il faut dire) the bottle was lovely.
 
Also, I was very disappointed in the Clos des Papes. Especially given the positive experience I had with them from Jonathan's cellar.
 
Hello,
It was very interesting because CdP "love" the hare. It's the perfect wedding (last try was with hermitage and Loire and not so succesfull). The powerfull of the hare match perfectly the powerfull of the wines. So, sugar feeling or sugar residual did'nt appear at all.
About Pierre Andr, I agree it's a little bit variable and I'm usually prefer like you 99 & 01.
With a different course (lighter), we may have found another hierarchy.
a+
pierre-alain
ps : Rahsaan a fait honneur au tgjp et c'est montr particulirement courageux dans la dgustation des Whisky. Hail him !
 
originally posted by pab: Rahsaan a fait honneur au tgjp et c'est montr particulirement courageux dans la dgustation des Whisky. Hail him !
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Indeed. They were quite tasty. And there was nary a trace fogging my brain cells the next day when I presented at the conference.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
Also, I was very disappointed in the Clos des Papes. Especially given the positive experience I had with them from Jonathan's cellar.
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Well the Clos des Papes I served you was the 95, a different wine. Still, the last time I had the 00, I did like it. For me, this estate started going over to the dark side in 03, though to tell the truth, I have found it too expensive to have much experience with since then, so maybe 05, 06, etc. are back on track. 04 was definitely bigger than the vintage would lead one to expect, though.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

Well the Clos des Papes I served you was the 95, a different wine. Still, the last time I had the 00, I did like it. For me, this estate started going over to the dark side in 03, though to tell the truth, I have found it too expensive to have much experience with since then, so maybe 05, 06, etc. are back on track. 04 was definitely bigger than the vintage would lead one to expect, though.
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That's basically my experience with the domaine, too, Prof. 'Tis a pity, since I loved visiting them and tasting wines with them in their barn. As usual, I suspect that a generational change is at least partially for the shifts, as well as TBPG's effusive praise of their '99.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman: Woah, when did Rahsaan start drinking blends?
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When I have no choice!

(Unless of course you count Cheverny)

That said, I hope you will agree to looking a bit further north for tonight's wine selection..
 
originally posted by Thor:
Yes, make him drink wines from Rasteau. That's "a bit further north," per his instruction.
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Funny you should mention that. Because as soon as we sat down Sharon began suggesting a Rasteau that apparently she recommended to you.

But, luckily we ended up drinking other More Delightful and More Northerly wines.. (although there was some blended Champagne in the mix)
 
originally posted by Thor:
Pity. That Rastau was really good.
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It wasn't Elodie Balme by chance was it? I've got a lingering bottle that I picked up in Paris, that I was thinking about getting around to.

Cheers,

Kevin
 
In fact, yes: Elodie Balme 2007 Ctes-du-Rhne-Villages Rasteau. Good wine, maybe even better when Sharon passive-aggressively forces it on you.
 
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