Life's just too short to drink 03's.

originally posted by BJ:
originally posted by Howard Cooper:
Not a big fan of many 03s, but in wine I have found it too simple to generalize like this. I have liked 03s from Mugneret-Gibourg and Truchot (Truchots are the only ones I own - not as good as other vintages, but still Truchot). I have also had some really nice Christoffel Urz Wurz Spalese. I don't know that it will make old bones but for $7 (what premier cru sold them for) they were mighty tasty.

Howard - amazingly, 03 Mugneret's are still available locally - any recommendations?

A couple of years ago, I had the CM Feusselottes and one of the Grand Crus I think it was the Clos Vougeot, but I am not sure) and they were very nice. I have not seen them locally (I am in the DC area) but for a while Zachy's had some 03s.
 
Let me add, again, I would not pay for 03s from Mugneret-Gibourg the same prices as I would pay for say 01s or 02s, but the wines are good.
 
originally posted by Salil Benegal:
originally posted by maureen:
I am not a fan of truchot's 03s - more 03 to me than truchot.

JJ Prum's auction spatlese, otoh, is prum and excellent.
Maureen, have you had any 03s from Schaefer or Muller-Catoir?

no

and thor I'm sure you said something clever (etoh) but it went over my head
 
The biggest problem in 2003 was having stressed vines, ridiculous low yields, low acidity and high alcohol. Oddly, a range of growers I know who work their vineyards well didn't have this problem. Their vines were deep enough, their plants resilient enough, that they had normal sized crops with normal analytical results. Furthermore the wines tasted well.

Among my growers, Foucault, Thevenet, Breton, Baudry and numerous others come to mind. There were others I was less wild about. Some I disliked.
 
Hegarty #1 2003 was (and remains) awesome. Idiosyncratic herbs, deep concentrated fruit. I don't care if it's owned by an Englishman who made his fortune shooting TV commercials for jeans.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
We've been through a fair amount of JJ Christoffel Kab and some SL, which was not class JJC, but nonetheless good, in an off-beat way.

Merkelbach '03 kab's are not exactly kab's, but are purely Merkelbach and delightful; i'll go out on a limb and say the same for the spatelesen. the kab's have enough acid for the ripe fruit, and especially the Erdener Treppchen, this crazy, beautiful strawberry note.
 
hi joe--per your observation: "Furthermore the wines tasted well." i'm betting that they also tasted good--or more likely, much better than good.

have a cool yule.
 
originally posted by robert ames:
hi joe--per your observation: "Furthermore the wines tasted well." i'm betting that they also tasted good--or more likely, much better than good.

have a cool yule.

One can justify Joe's locution by taking the sentence in the manner of "This wine is showing well." One can justify most locutions with a little interpretive effort and it's usually more fun than nitpicking corrections. Exceptions are split infinitives and the use of "varietal" for "variety." About these transgressions, you can make whatever case you want, the law is the law.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by robert ames:
hi joe--per your observation: "Furthermore the wines tasted well." i'm betting that they also tasted good--or more likely, much better than good.

have a cool yule.

One can justify Joe's locution by taking the sentence in the manner of "This wine is showing well." One can justify most locutions with a little interpretive effort and it's usually more fun than nitpicking corrections. Exceptions are split infinitives and the use of "varietal" for "variety." About these transgressions, you can make whatever case you want, the law is the law.

damn, if this was (or was not) ETOH-influenced, i am almost impressed with the free time leading to this.
 
originally posted by Joe Dressner:
The biggest problem in 2003 was having stressed vines, ridiculous low yields, low acidity and high alcohol. Oddly, a range of growers I know who work their vineyards well didn't have this problem. Their vines were deep enough, their plants resilient enough, that they had normal sized crops with normal analytical results. Furthermore the wines tasted well.

Among my growers, Foucault, Thevenet, Breton, Baudry and numerous others come to mind. There were others I was less wild about. Some I disliked.

03 rougeard was drinking really well, just like the 05 is. They seem to be doing good on hot vintages.
 
originally posted by guilhaume:
originally posted by Joe Dressner:
The biggest problem in 2003 was having stressed vines, ridiculous low yields, low acidity and high alcohol. Oddly, a range of growers I know who work their vineyards well didn't have this problem. Their vines were deep enough, their plants resilient enough, that they had normal sized crops with normal analytical results. Furthermore the wines tasted well.

Among my growers, Foucault, Thevenet, Breton, Baudry and numerous others come to mind. There were others I was less wild about. Some I disliked.

03 rougeard was drinking really well, just like the 05 is. They seem to be doing good on hot vintages.
I didn't love '03 Poyeux, but Bourg and the Clos were great.
 
originally posted by guilhaume:
originally posted by Joe Dressner:
The biggest problem in 2003 was having stressed vines, ridiculous low yields, low acidity and high alcohol. Oddly, a range of growers I know who work their vineyards well didn't have this problem. Their vines were deep enough, their plants resilient enough, that they had normal sized crops with normal analytical results. Furthermore the wines tasted well.

Among my growers, Foucault, Thevenet, Breton, Baudry and numerous others come to mind. There were others I was less wild about. Some I disliked.

03 rougeard was drinking really well, just like the 05 is. They seem to be doing good on hot vintages.

I really like the 1997s as well.

I haven't tried the 2005s yet.

The 2003 Poyeux seemed to be shutting down the last time I had it (with the 2002 which was as well).
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by guilhaume:
originally posted by Joe Dressner:
The biggest problem in 2003 was having stressed vines, ridiculous low yields, low acidity and high alcohol. Oddly, a range of growers I know who work their vineyards well didn't have this problem. Their vines were deep enough, their plants resilient enough, that they had normal sized crops with normal analytical results. Furthermore the wines tasted well.

Among my growers, Foucault, Thevenet, Breton, Baudry and numerous others come to mind. There were others I was less wild about. Some I disliked.

03 rougeard was drinking really well, just like the 05 is. They seem to be doing good on hot vintages.
I didn't love '03 Poyeux, but Bourg and the Clos were great.

I think the Poyeux will be fine, I actually had bottles show really well.

I seem to really like the Clos more in these warm vintages. Not sure why.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
It's meunier, man.

What do you think of Bollinger 2003?

Never had it, and it's the only other one I know of so far.

Just drank a bottle of the 03 Bollinger last night. Ironically, considering the vintage, the box it was packaged in was all white with a picture of vines in the snow. While certainly broad and ripe it did not strike me as out of balance. Loads of intensity though. I'm not aware of anybody else who bottled a vintage other than the Prevost mentioned above.
 
Last Thursday, excellent Schloss Johannisberg Kabinett (made in a halbtrocken style but not so labelled) and Dr. F. Weins-Prm Wehlener Sonnenuhr Kabinett (Sptlese sweet but delicious). Both showing great freshness.
 
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