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2007 Occhipinti Il Frapatto
- Thread starter Oswaldo Costa
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Bike racks. After school.originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by slaton:
Tonight I espied bottles of L0109 on the shelf at Arlequin.
At home I have one bottle purchased in August at Terroir, from perhaps the first batch that came out west. It is also L0109.
Nobody asked you, slayer.
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
It is entirely common for small producers not to bottle a particular wine all at once....Before it is bottled the wine is sitting somewhere, in some sort of barrel, vat, anfora, or tank. It sees extra time in that vessel as opposed to the wine that has already been bottled. In the end result, there is usually some sort of taste difference.
The newer to the market, "second shipment" of SP 68 '08 seems more harmonious and knit together. That to me is something that is probably indicative of extra age before bottling.
It sounds to me from the descriptions of the SP 68 in this thread that folks are essentially talking about different wines, and there is a reason for that.
I bring you the results of a WD-exclusive interview with Arianna herself. She had planned to post herself, but she is busy pouring her wines for schnooks from around the world and so agreed to this exclusive interview.
She reports that Levi is correct, both in fact and analysis. She didn't have a tank that allowed her to do a single assemblage of the SP68, so there were two bottlings as it sold through the market. They were bottled three or four months apart, and the wine sat in a large neutral tank in the meantime. She attributes some of the perceived difference to the time since bottling as well as the time in large storage, but whatever.
She's glad that people like the wine and take the time to consider such arcane questions.
She has recently purchased a large tank that will allow her to assemble her wines, so this vintage may be your only chance to collect the early- and late-bottled versions of SP68 for comparison over time.
I have a couple of bottles of the rare, sought-after first release that I might be persuaded to sell at the right price. Contact me by email.
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
It is entirely common for small producers not to bottle a particular wine all at once....Before it is bottled the wine is sitting somewhere, in some sort of barrel, vat, anfora, or tank. It sees extra time in that vessel as opposed to the wine that has already been bottled. In the end result, there is usually some sort of taste difference.
The newer to the market, "second shipment" of SP 68 '08 seems more harmonious and knit together. That to me is something that is probably indicative of extra age before bottling.
It sounds to me from the descriptions of the SP 68 in this thread that folks are essentially talking about different wines, and there is a reason for that.
I bring you the results of a WD-exclusive interview with Arianna herself. She had planned to post herself, but she is busy pouring her wines for schnooks from around the world and so agreed to this exclusive interview.
She reports that Levi is correct, both in fact and analysis. She didn't have a tank that allowed her to do a single assemblage of the SP68, so there were two bottlings as it sold through the market. They were bottled three or four months apart, and the wine sat in a large neutral tank in the meantime. She attributes some of the perceived difference to the time since bottling as well as the time in large storage, but whatever.
She's glad that people like the wine and take the time to consider such arcane questions.
She has recently purchased a large tank that will allow her to assemble her wines, so this vintage may be your only chance to collect the early- and late-bottled versions of SP68 for comparison over time.
I have a couple of bottles of the rare, sought-after first release that I might be persuaded to sell at the right price. Contact me by email.
Levi Dalton
Levi Dalton
A subtle commentary on the dual bottling situation with the double post there, Mr. SFJ.
Maybe we're supposed to hunt for subtle differences.A subtle commentary on the dual bottling situation with the double post there, Mr. SFJ.
Scott Kraft
Scott Kraft
Loesberg probably has something to say about that.
SFJoe, thank you heartily for raising the journalistic standards of this place.
SFJoe, thank you heartily for raising the journalistic standards of this place.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
originally posted by AJ:
Does anyone know if this is also the case with the Frapatto? The SP68 that arrived in Montreal in August/September is L0109 and the Frapatto that arrived at the same time is LF0109.
Mine was also LF0109. Amazing, now we have to keep track of the AP numbers!
Tom Glasgow
Thomas W Glasgow
Don't forgot Monkeys pack heat and school yard fights aren't like the old days: See here.originally posted by slaton:
Bike racks. After school.originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by slaton:
Tonight I espied bottles of L0109 on the shelf at Arlequin.
At home I have one bottle purchased in August at Terroir, from perhaps the first batch that came out west. It is also L0109.
Nobody asked you, slayer.
Lou Kessler
Lou Kessler
Mine was LFO109 also. Does that mean I have drawn a winning number? What did I win? I lost track of what this thread was about.originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by AJ:
Does anyone know if this is also the case with the Frapatto? The SP68 that arrived in Montreal in August/September is L0109 and the Frapatto that arrived at the same time is LF0109.
Mine was also LF0109. Amazing, now we have to keep track of the AP numbers!
Scott Kraft
Scott Kraft
BINGO!!!
Tom Glasgow
Thomas W Glasgow
Congratulations,originally posted by Lou Kessler:
Lucky?Mine was LFO109 also. Does that mean I have drawn a winning number? What did I win? I lost track of what this thread was about.originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by AJ:
Does anyone know if this is also the case with the Frapatto? The SP68 that arrived in Montreal in August/September is L0109 and the Frapatto that arrived at the same time is LF0109.
Mine was also LF0109. Amazing, now we have to keep track of the AP numbers!
For your prize you have the choice of buying SFJoe's inventory at 2x retail or wiring $500 to the Nigerian fax scam of your choice.
And as an extra bonus you're the referee for the big fight.
True, but the Open Carry status of California seems a bit uncertain these days.originally posted by Tom Glasgow:
Don't forgot Monkeys pack heat and school yard fights aren't like the old days: See here.originally posted by slaton:
Bike racks. After school.originally posted by VLM:
Nobody asked you, slayer.
Matteo Mollo
Matteo Mollo
So it seems though that the L0109 would have been the "first shipment" from the 1st bottling and that subsequent bottlings would have been L0209, no? I just looked at our current frappato that lists L F0209. I would assume that if there was a similar situation with the Frappato as there was with the 68 that she would use the same train of thought in numbering them. So does anyone have a lot number from the 1st shipment/bottling of the SP68?
also, whatever. who really cares. It tastes good and i have encountered this before with other small procducers, Cascina Roera being one i can think of immediately.
also, whatever. who really cares. It tastes good and i have encountered this before with other small procducers, Cascina Roera being one i can think of immediately.
Levi Dalton
Levi Dalton
originally posted by Matteo Mollo:
also, whatever. who really cares. It tastes good
Can't say I agree with the know nothing take. I like understanding the why and the what have you behind the taste.
It is also nice to better understand and communicate what I am selling to others who are trusting of me to do so.
What it isn't is a knock on Occhipinti, of which I sell quite a bit, and have done a wine dinner with.
Matteo Mollo
Matteo Mollo
sure, i wasnt making a knock on her wines(actually her wines are one of my biggest inspirations in the wine world). What i was trying to say is that i understand that there will be differences in bottlings, lots, etc and i embrace that. I enjoy knowing such details about a wine or a producer and do think it allows one to get a little closer to the wine, terroir, etc. I was also trying to say that i dont want to be so concerned in the details that it somehow takes away from the realness of the wine.
The labels are identical between the two shipments.
This is an extremely common phenomenon in the wine world, as Levi points out. There are many good reasons for it. Bottles cost money, and you don't want to lay out the cash until you need to, or perhaps until you've been paid on the last lot. You may not be able to store bottled wine in large quantity. You may not have a big enough tank to assemble all of a lot. There are many logistic reasons for it. Sometimes producers bottle at different times for different customers. And so on. The extreme version is the old guy with a funnel bottling each barrel to order.
I suspect that the fear on the part of the upstream distribution chain in all this is that the customer starts demanding "the good bottling." Hence a bit of soft peddling, you might say.
This is an extremely common phenomenon in the wine world, as Levi points out. There are many good reasons for it. Bottles cost money, and you don't want to lay out the cash until you need to, or perhaps until you've been paid on the last lot. You may not be able to store bottled wine in large quantity. You may not have a big enough tank to assemble all of a lot. There are many logistic reasons for it. Sometimes producers bottle at different times for different customers. And so on. The extreme version is the old guy with a funnel bottling each barrel to order.
I suspect that the fear on the part of the upstream distribution chain in all this is that the customer starts demanding "the good bottling." Hence a bit of soft peddling, you might say.
Levi Dalton
Levi Dalton
I personally like the SP 68 in the market now more than I liked what was around previously, and have decided to start pouring the SP 68 by the glass.
Perhaps I'll purchase SFJoe's back stash, and we'll pour two half glasses for each order, side by side. Through their own judicious blending, each guest could determine the proper blending ratio, should they so wish.
Perhaps I'll purchase SFJoe's back stash, and we'll pour two half glasses for each order, side by side. Through their own judicious blending, each guest could determine the proper blending ratio, should they so wish.