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Until now I've had many disappointments in my life but none so severe as starting this thread.
Oh, by the way, over the years many of us have learned that a wild guess on a subject presented by Thor has usually had more merit than a carefully researched answer from Brad K. or even Eden. Thor should think carefully before accepting what I just wrote as a compliment.
Oh, by the way I can get some great discounts on high end Napa cabs for any denizens of this board.
 
originally posted by Thor:
I'm no expert
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No, you're not. It's a little difficult to take what you're saying as particularly useful until you have more experience with the wines. Because you're working with a pretty thin folio of evidence.
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With due respect, I can't make sense of this response. Is there a threshold of expertise chat participants have to cross before they're authorized to post? Where's the entrance exam?
 
originally posted by Thor:

extreme winemaking techniques
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I love how skin contact is now an extreme winemaking technique.
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For wines made from white grapes, extended skin contact is pretty extreme or would you say that you can't tell the difference?
 
oWith due respect, I can't make sense of this response. Is there a threshold of expertise chat participants have to cross before they're authorized to post? Where's the entrance exam?
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No, but if you're going to assert strong opinions about categories (vintage generalizations, orange wine generalizations, Burgundy generalizations), you should be prepared to bring and deliver the problem sets, showing the work. "Gosh...gee...aren't orange wines sorta, you know, the same?" doesn't cut it.

For wines made from white grapes, extended skin contact is pretty extreme or would you say that you can't tell the difference?
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While passive-aggressiveness is cute and you're just adorable, bless your heart, the point is that extended skin contact isn't an extreme technique. Your claim is that because it's unusual for whites, it's extreme. It's not. It's unexpected for whites, but it's not an extreme or terroir-destroying technique for reds, so I really think the onus is on you to describe why it would be so for whites.
 
originally posted by Thor:
oWith due respect, I can't make sense of this response. Is there a threshold of expertise chat participants have to cross before they're authorized to post? Where's the entrance exam?
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No, but if you're going to assert strong opinions about categories (vintage generalizations, orange wine generalizations, Burgundy generalizations), you should be prepared to bring and deliver the problem sets, showing the work. "Gosh...gee...aren't orange wines sorta, you know, the same?" doesn't cut it.
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I guess I didn't take Rahsaan's comments quite this way; but then I'm in the hack-amateur camp myself. Plus, I've had dinner with him over wine, which tends to soften attitudes.

On the other hand, as much work as you put into your wine assessments, I can see why you'd become impatient with the off-hand opinionation some of us indulge in.

Cheers.
 
It wasn't me, but if you don't breathe a word, I'll let you in on the secret of why there are no women on Wine Disorder. It's because the all-powerful politburo is in fact a coven of wimminfolk. The two or three girl stragglers you see actually posting are a clever decoy meant to mimic the ratio of female participants on most common wine boards.

But do not tell anyone!!!!!1!!
 
I thought there were no women posters on Wine Disorder. I thought everyone here were Michel Rolland sock puppets, including me.
 
originally posted by Yule Kim:
I thought there were no women posters on Wine Disorder. I thought everyone here was Michel Rolland sock puppets, including me.
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One out of 672 ain't bad.
Best, Jim
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons: I guess I didn't take Rahsaan's comments quite this way; but then I'm in the hack-amateur camp myself. Plus, I've had dinner with him over wine, which tends to soften attitudes..
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Thor has also had a few dinners with me. So just imagine his responses were that not the case!

Despite the disturbing math-class analogies, I don't think anyone would dispute the merit of a show-your-work approach to any broad pontificating. But of course I never said anything as silly as Thor's characterization.

As in the earlier exchange with Levi, I don't think anyone is dumb enough to claim all orange wines taste the same.

I do look forward to finding more orange wine nuances in the future, but I don't think it is radical to claim that the method marks the wine. And sure, the method marks red wine as well.

But I'm willing to venture that identifying grape and terroir blind would be easier for red wine than for orange wine. Perhaps Thor and I will be able to schedule a time in 2012 (for the Olympics!) to show each other the work on that one.
 
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