Wine

originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
originally posted by SFJoe:

I don't know about hate, but one of the reasons I haven't tasted comprehensively is my disappointment in overdone wines--too much upfront froot, new wood, deep color, lack of elegance. But I've only had a few wines.
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Have you tried the Lafouge I posted about the other night?
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Nope.
 
originally posted by maureen:
originally posted by Claude Kolm:

Frankly, Charmes is about the lowliest of grand cru vineyards, with much of it not worthy of more than village classification (it and Clos-Vougeot are the only grands crus that extend down to the route nationale) and virtually none of it worthy of grand cru, so a disappointing Charmes is hardly surprising.
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Yawn. yes, we know charmes is the "lowliest" - nonetheless, several producers make excellent wine from charmes (Bachelet, Truchot, supposedly Roty but I've never tried those) and I have plenty of experience with Charmes so when I say disappointing I mean a disappointing Charmes - marking within context as they say.
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Geantet-Pansiot is also excellent even though I no longer much like the wines in general, and the Bachelet is an extraordinarily beautiful wine though not one with what I'd call a grand cru character. I've been deeply touched on several occasions recently by the 92 and more surprisingly the 94.
To general disbelief I'll add that the Laurent Charmes is compelling in 98,00 and 01. I've not had other post 97 vintages but he clearly has a superb source.
 
originally posted by Tom Blach:
To general disbelief I'll add that the Laurent Charmes is compelling in 98,00 and 01. I've not had other post 97 vintages but he clearly has a superb source.
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Maume = old vines, I believe.

The question, Tom, if I am correct that it is Maume, is do you prefer the wine from Maume to that from Laurent?
 
The Mazis comes from Maume, Claude, I'm not sure that the Charmes does? It has seemed to me that in this case that the Laurent is a better wine, I find the Maume the weakest wine from that superb domaine.
 
Maume's. And actually the Maume has been a superb bargain until recently.The Laurent bottling is no kind of travesty, though. I look forward to next weekend when we will have the 2000 Laurent and Maume Lavaux st Jacques side by side.
 
originally posted by Tom Blach:
Geantet-Pansiot is also excellent even though I no longer much like the wines quote]

once again we agree - too jammy, those wines

had a pair of excellent 01s last night - barthod charmes and H-N suchots - both terrific altho quite different
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originally posted by maureen:
originally posted by Tom Blach:
Geantet-Pansiot is also excellent even though I no longer much like the wines
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once again we agree - too jammy, those wines

had a pair of excellent 01s last night - barthod charmes and H-N suchots - both terrific altho quite different
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I totally disagree. I don't think Geantet wines are jammy at all, except maybe in vintages like 2003.

Sure he does a cold soak, but not any sort of crazy one. He has great old massale vines and the wines aren't really manipulated. He gets a bad rap for bottling early, but I don't see the issue there. The Poissenots is an especially interesting and compelling wine.
 
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