Biodynamics is a Hoax

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Or if "groundless belief" is too much of a chomp, how about "hooey."
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Hooey[sic] thinks "hogwash" seems more potentially apropos.

originally posted by Nicolas Mestre
Sharon, I like "hooey."
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Thanks Nicolas but you hardly know me.

Yeah, anyway, it has occurred to me that I can't think of any other agricultural product being promoted and/or being produced by BD methods. I regularly shop local farmers markets and the "health food"
stores of the Bay Area and nothing comes to mind. Certified organic is as far as certification goes around here.

It seems that because Steiner was European, BD was adopted there primarily and has arrived here only
to a very small degree and only with wine producers. What accounts for that? Why don't I see BD
being touted at Whole Foods or farmers markets or BD meats and cheeses. I don't even think
local food bastions such as Chez Panisse ever mention the phrase about anything besides wine.
Is BD used in Europe for commercial production of anything besides grapes?
 
originally posted by Ned Hoey:
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Or if "groundless belief" is too much of a chomp, how about "hooey."
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Hooey[sic] thinks "hogwash" seems more potentially apropos.

originally posted by Nicolas Mestre
Sharon, I like "hooey."
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Thanks Nicolas but you hardly know me.

Yeah, anyway, it has occurred to me that I can't think of any other agricultural product being promoted and/or being produced by BD methods. I regularly shop local farmers markets and the "health food"
stores of the Bay Area and nothing comes to mind. Certified organic is as far as certification goes around here.

It seems that because Steiner was European, BD was adopted there primarily and has arrived here only
to a very small degree and only with wine producers. What accounts for that? Why don't I see BD
being touted at Whole Foods or farmers markets or BD meats and cheeses. I don't even think
local food bastions such as Chez Panisse ever mention the phrase about anything besides wine.
Is BD used in Europe for commercial production of anything besides grapes?
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I drink biodynamic milk.

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www.milkthistlefarm.com
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
Groundless beef?
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I didn't think you had a sense of humor.

I have a buddy, of sorts, who grows heirloom vegetable biodynamically and sells them to area restaurants. I don't think he markets them as 'biodynamic,' but as simply 'good.' His squash are to die for.
 
Ploughshares Community Farm in Louisa County, Virginia touts itself as biodynamic and sells its produce at the Charlottesville farmers market.

No grapes as far as I know.
 
originally posted by Joel Stewart:
Is it just me, or did I just read that natural wines cause homosexuality?
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Interesting thesis.

I'll see if the staff at my gym will stock some "KO" in the cooler next to the Gatorade.

BobS
(Always thinking strategically)
 
originally posted by Bob Semon:
originally posted by Joel Stewart:
Is it just me, or did I just read that natural wines cause homosexuality?
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Interesting thesis.

I'll see if the staff at my gym will stock some "KO" in the cooler next to the Gatorade.

BobS
(Always thinking strategically)
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this might get me to the gym more often .....
 
originally posted by Nicolas Mestre:
I think my point is more about how certain people invoke the name of "science" in order to repudiate or discredit ideas or methods or whatever that don't synch up with their world view.

No scientist (I presume)can prove that the Big Bang occurred, for example. It is a theory that has the most adherents within the scientific community at this point in time, therefore has the most credibility.

The argument that biodynamic farming is ineffective, or no more effective than organic farming, or a hoax is presented by people who have not experimented with the method themselves (my assumption).

If you gave me the testimony of ten vignerons who each employed biodynamic methods for a given period of time and they all said "it doesn't work" then I would be more inclined to think BD a hoax.

But just because a scientist says there is no proof for the effectiveness of the method doesn't seem to me a great argument against Biodynamics.
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Where to start. Unless you demand that some eyewitness showed up to say s/he had seen the Big Bang as proof, there is at least strong evidence, of the kind that even lay people like me understand. And the theory continues to be a good explanation for new evidence. It may be overturned, but it's a good account of what's out there.

Biodynamics has been subject to various kinds of test and has failed, unsurprisingly. If an experiment had indicated that soil nutrients in the minimal qualities biodynamics demands, buried in a cow horn, did somehow measurably affect the soil it was in, and if further, one could meaningfully reproduce on demand the kinds of lunar effects posited, we would have to throw out more modern physics than you could shake a stick at, if that's your idea of a good time. Whether a biodynamically farmed vineyard produces a good wine is so obviously not a test as to not need comment.

The grounds for the tooth fairy are stronger than the grounds for biodynamics.
 
Re: BD, I don't think I know what I'm talking about all that well, Jonathan, but, with due respect, I don't believe you do, either. Have you done any BD farming yourself?
 
originally posted by Tristan Welles:
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
I wrote this as a reply but the great thing is the final comment on it:

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saignee.wordpress.com
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Mr Cartwright,

Is there a way for readers to adjust the font size on your blog? I looked but had no luck.

Thanks
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In Firefox, pressing the "control" and "+" will increase size. "command" and "+" on a Mac.
 
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