TN: Eric Rohmer in a Bottle

Joe Perry

Joe Perry
Wine geeks and fun folks, Bill and Lill Buitenhuys returned from their exile on Planet Metaluna to the great state of Massachusetts this past weekend. In honor of their temporary return, a few of us gathered at Casa Lawton for wine and chow. In attendance were:

Mike, Carla and Danielle Lawton
Trung and Martha Nguyen
Bill and Lill Buitenhuys
Me and Amy
PMAC
(Dogs: Ollie and Maggie Lawton plus Sprocket Perry)

We kicked the night off with a producer I dislike which is becoming more and more of a tradition (interpret for yourself the implications):

2005 Paolo Bea Coenobium: I will admit that I am jaded when it comes to the wines of Bea, but even taking that into consideration the nose on this wine was unpleasantly metallic. Thankfully, the palate was more interesting, but it was also very shrill. Complexity aside, this wine needs more fat or fruit or padding to help ease the finish. Based on the retail price, its not unreasonable, but the Nun habit needs to be hiked up.

1997 Trimbach CFE: If there is one constant about me and Trimbach, it is that I will adore smelling the wines. The palate wasnt as easy to judge - with the youthful and mature nuances beginning to trade places - but the potency and tannin promise the transition will not fall short in the end. This might fail to rival the Genie in the bottle of the 89 CFE, but I think it has much improvement to come.

2001 Knoll Riesling Reid Schutt Riesling: There is something very Eric Rohmer about the wines of Knoll. For example, while not having a lot of experience with Knolls wines, I have always found them very large and viscous. Of course, the great thing about being an Austrian wine is that you can be large and viscous and yet still be driven by mineral notes. Its the Jameks the Nigls and the Nikolaihofs the top wines are not lean and yet the result is still somehow restrained and respectable. Going one step further than the rest, Knoll has the sole ability to suffer stigmata and drive all the snakes out of Ireland just based on the label. If you dig it, like I do, this will be a competitor for wine of the night every time.

2000 Prager Achleiten Riesling: In a sharp contrast to the Knoll, this wine was far more Grunerish than Riesling. In fact, it was so much different from the Knoll that is caused speculation on the integrity of the wine. Like a Gruner, there was the presence of white pepper and (what I identify as) calcium. Beyond that, there was none of the *oomph* of the Knoll.

1988 Kalin Chardonnay DD: For some reason, Mike Lawton refused to drink this wine, but I think every one else was stoked after drinking it. Geographic location aside, the wines of Kalin feature an amazing aging trajectory. Ive tasted older, and many younger, Kalin Chards, but this was just about perfect for me. The expression was all nuts and spice, with a hint of cream and enough acidity to seal the deal. As with ESJ, it is nice to have an American wine to be proud of.

1999 Donnhoff Oberhauser Brucke Spatlese: Classic Donnhoff nose with a palate that was apple scone and how are you dearie? comfort on the finish.

1993 Gouges NSG Les St. Georges: I really, really, really want to like Gouges. I even have a bottle of Gouges in the atrophied Burgundy section of my cellar, and yet Gouges makes it hard for me. In the glass this wine smelled like a promising Burg, but in the mouth this was painfully underfruited with an acid and tannin beating.

1995 Einaudi Costa Grimaldi Barolo: The nose was pleasant with notes of classic Nebbiolo, tarragon, and also some semi-resolved oak. The palate was moderately dense. If the fruit can hang on, this will be a nice Barolo in a few years.

1995 Seghisio La Villa Barolo: Seghisio, as I have always found them, are solidly proforming Barolo which will sooth even the most demanding Barolo itch. Moreover, this wine is a star when considering the 1995 vintage. The palate and nose were filled with dried flowers, pomegranite and truffle (as good Barolo should be). It might never be confused it with G. Conterno, but Seghisio offers an approachable and affoardable Barolo for the Piedmont enthusiast.

2003 G. Rinaldi Cannubi S. Lorenzo Ravera Barolo: When Amy and I honeymooned in Alba, everyone was pouring the 2003 Barolo (bad timing) but the 2003 Lorenzo that Marta Rinaldi poured to us was the best of the best. I will admit that I sometimes get caught up in premier wines, but this supposedly lesser Barolo from Rinaldi was more correct than the top Brunate La Coste. Even beyond Rinaldi, this was the best 2003 Barolo we tasted on our trip from any producer. One year in the cellar didnt change much, as this was young Barolo that was still very drinkable and promising without being punishing.

1996 Chave Hermitage: Meaty and unrefined with that cache that only Chave has (had?). It might not age forever, but it has years of Hells Yeah! ahead of it.

2001 Quinta do Noval LBV: Im told that the unfiltered designation on the label ties in to the fact that this LBV Port will improve with age while most LBV will not. I cant speak with authority on the aging potential, but I did find the tannin structurally lacking when compared to a Noval vintage port. Still, I have high (maybe too high) expectations when I see Noval on a label, and nothing but Port would have been remotely appropriate when served next to the quadruple fudge chocolate cake that the night ended with, so I will not grouse too much.

In closing, Arizona is very lucky to have Bill and Lill as residents, and we in Massachusetts are lucky to have such fantastic hosts as Mike and Carla Lawton. Im thankful that we were able to combine the two once more for a great meal.

Best,
Joe
 
Rohmer "large and viscous"??? Are we talking about the same Eric Rohmer? The one I'm thinking about I would compare to, maybe, the wines of A&P de Villaine, or Lafarge, or d'Angerville, or Dnnhoff, or Willi Schfer, or . . . but how does Knoll fit in?
 
We had the 2005 Bea/nun wine the other night, and you're nuts.

The Trimbach is holding well for a weird, fat vintage, but I think they did a zillion times better in the next weird, fat vintage (2000). That said, I'm happy to own some.

Sorry to have missed the festivities. We landed around 10:30, which would have been right around the Chave, I'd guess.

So are we having Wacky White Night III or not?
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
Rohmer "large and viscous"??? Are we talking about the same Eric Rohmer? The one I'm thinking about I would compare to, maybe, the wines of A&P de Villaine, or Lafarge, or d'Angerville, or Dnnhoff, or Willi Schfer, or . . . but how does Knoll fit in?

I would compare Rohmer to a Puffeney Savignin: an acquired taste for most Americans.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
Rohmer "large and viscous"??? Are we talking about the same Eric Rohmer? The one I'm thinking about I would compare to, maybe, the wines of A&P de Villaine, or Lafarge, or d'Angerville, or Dnnhoff, or Willi Schfer, or . . . but how does Knoll fit in?

I would compare Rohmer to a Puffeney Savignin: an acquired taste for most Americans.

Mark Lipton
Don't know Puffeney's Savignins, but Tissot would do, yes.
 
So who was the Collectionneuse?

I had thought that being a collector with the sole intention of flipping was sort of out of fashion on this board.
 
mlawton does not consider chardonnay a grape with which one can make wine

sorry to miss this as well but I was busy celebrating Johnny Pesky in the Fens
 
I'm also surprised you don't like Bea. Have you tasted through many vintages?

Great notes! Rohmer lurks here and is delighted.
 
We kicked the night off with a producer I dislike which is becoming more and more of a tradition (interpret for yourself the implications):

2005 Paolo Bea Coenobium: I will admit that I am jaded when it comes to the wines of Bea, but even taking that into consideration the nose on this wine was unpleasantly metallic. Thankfully, the palate was more interesting, but it was also very shrill. Complexity aside, this wine needs more fat or fruit or padding to help ease the finish. Based on the retail price, its not unreasonable, but the Nun habit needs to be hiked up.

Huh? I can't believe you didn't like this, it seems completely up your alley.
And you actually dislike Bea, the ultimate Geek Wine producer?

I found this wine very interesting, in that "small-Italain dedicated producer"
sort of way. Thor's right.
 
Thanks for the details, Joe. It sure was good getting out of the land of endless Mollydooker wine events to see everyone.

My reaction to the Nun wine was 180deg from yours but with the same result, not a fan. I thought the tinned pear/peaches flavor profile was quite robust and tasty and it was a lack of lift on the back end that made it dull.

Trimbach was very good in a slightly roundish sort of way, Knoll was stunning, Kalin had that hint of honey chestnuts aroma that makes you think "old" but was utterly vibrant after that. After Chave it was my favorite of the night. Donnhoff was just nice.

Einaudi was not quite integrated yet and like you I'm not sure it has the stuffing to make it. I would have sworn the Seghesio was '96 given it's immense structure. That was a really nice surprise. Chave was being Chave in its full primal glory. The Rinaldi was one of the most accessible young traditionally made barolo I've had since the '01 Ballarin. What's the right phrase? Gulp-able? Chug worthy?

I found nothing fatally wrong with the Gouges and in fact I liked it. Beautiful nose and yes it was a bit acidic on its own but not at all with Mike's braised cow.

And I really enjoyed the Noval LBV with the cake for its relative lightness and energy.

Thanks as well to Mike and Carla for hosting yet again and to you, Joe, for organizing.
 
Joe, you have a mental block on Bea. That was good wine. Not superlative, but good.

I'm starting to think that you have a blind spot on aged and semi-aged Burgundy too, like Thor has on aged and semi-aged german Riesling. The Gouges was pretty tasty to me. Still young, yes. But very tasty. And still very good the next night which I find unusual for burgundy. Most seem to oxidize very quickly (overnight) even if I put them in a 375 and re-cork it. Didn't you say the same thing "tannic and shrill" about the last slightly-aged burg we had? Might have been a Gouges as well, I can't recall.

Still Chardonnay is not for me. I'm sure the Palin was good, but "good" still Chardonnay is kind of like a "sporty" SUV in my book. No use for either.

The 97 CFE was good, I don't see it getting much better. I'm still afraid of the 96.

The Prager was definitely Gruner. I don't know how it happened, but I'm sure of it. I did like the Knoll, but I'd rather drink a good vintage of CFE, Boxler or even a few Trockens for my dry riesling "needs", and they are all much cheaper. I guess I just don't "get" Austrian Riesling.

I figured out what a Labradoodle is. It's a yellow Lab with a perm.
 
This is so not about Rohmer! What a letdown.

Let's talk about how they drink a bottle of Chanturgues in "Ma nuit chez Maud" - and an excellent one, at that!

Any Chanturgues tasting notes here?

(That said, I did guzzle a bit of Saint-Pourain in Auvergne this summer.)
 
Hear, hear on the quality of Bea. This is the son's (Giampiero) effort more so than Paolo's, though. Of course, there is strong familial streak. I think of Coenobium as little brother to the Santa Chiara, another good wine. It'd be interesting to have them side by side, which I've not done. Hell, add in some wacky Friulians, maybe even some Scholium Project for good measure, too.

I had fun in April w/ all y'all fellow Bostonians- if you're willing to overlook any potential TCA mojo I might have brought (remember, none of mine!), keep me in the loop for the next jeeb. And if we had only had some of the wines above back then, my Vacherin Mont d'Or would have shown much better...
 
originally posted by Tom Blach:
93 Gouges are much too young-92 and 94 are the current drinking vintages of the nineties here.

I found the 93 Gouges Les Vaucrains pretty darn tasty at a dinner last winter. I'm no expert on aged or semi aged (or even young) Burgundies, but it had plenty of fruit and if anything the tannin was more of an issue than the acid. But after a little bit of air it was pretty harmonious for my tastes. Maybe 92 and 94 show 'better' but this was certainly not unapproachable.
 
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