Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
I did! I did! But only because the wise Gael insisted that I do so.
Coturri strikes again and Gahier disappoints
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I did! I did! But only because the wise Gael insisted that I do so.
Jay Miller
Jay Miller
I found myself in Discovery Wines on Saturday (nice shop!) while the Coturri winemaker was there pouring.
The Sandecino was not bad, a bit odd but interesting and drinkable. The Carignane was ... not to my taste.
The Sandecino was not bad, a bit odd but interesting and drinkable. The Carignane was ... not to my taste.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Do you mean Park Avenue Liquor, the one on Madison Ave?
If so, the shop is blah but the cellar has some good stuff. Pricing is too high for what it is. You could ask The Beav, at Chambers; he used to work there.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
They have a good annual sale, I think, but their shipping costs are exorbitant.
Scott Kraft
Scott Kraft
This goose neck in Florence was wonderful.
Morgan Harris
Morgan Harris
But then again, Gueze + Lambic are practically food groups for me.
I look at them a little more abstractly than some might. Good winemaking, maybe not. A beverage I like, yes sir. There's not really anyone making wine like him, so it's sort of an apples and oranges situation.
I really dislike most Picasso, but couldn't get enough Lempicka or Mondigliani, but can we really say that any of them are ultimately "better" artists than the others? We seem to be perpetrating the same sin as Parker if we're going to rate things on an absolute scale, as opposed to their existence relative to an idiom, and and I think it's fair to say Coturri's created his own idiom. Just like Harlan, Silver Oak, Caymus SS, and all big, oaky Cali wines are an idiom. Or Bellviere, Chidaine, Pinon, etc. are in the same middle-Loire Chenin idiom.
I definitely get the point that it's so unspoofed it's spoofed again though...
I look at them a little more abstractly than some might. Good winemaking, maybe not. A beverage I like, yes sir. There's not really anyone making wine like him, so it's sort of an apples and oranges situation.
I really dislike most Picasso, but couldn't get enough Lempicka or Mondigliani, but can we really say that any of them are ultimately "better" artists than the others? We seem to be perpetrating the same sin as Parker if we're going to rate things on an absolute scale, as opposed to their existence relative to an idiom, and and I think it's fair to say Coturri's created his own idiom. Just like Harlan, Silver Oak, Caymus SS, and all big, oaky Cali wines are an idiom. Or Bellviere, Chidaine, Pinon, etc. are in the same middle-Loire Chenin idiom.
I definitely get the point that it's so unspoofed it's spoofed again though...
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
I certainly wasn't complaining about Coturri's stylistic choices, those I respect. I was complaining about poor hygiene in the cellar. I enjoyed the Coturri wines vetted by Coturri himself at a tasting, which is kept running the risk, until this bottle. The pinot was completely flawed, and too many Coturri wines develop flaws, as evidenced by several others' experience.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
2008 Michel Gahier Arbois Trousseau Grands Vergers 12.5%
Unwilling to dismiss Gahier based on unitary sample size, gave subsequent vintage a go, found it wanting too, differing reasons. While the 07 tasted in January of 11 had too much brett (perhaps a tribute to 93 Overnoy), this 08, despite a pretty enough nose of metallic red fruit dipped in stemminess, had a strangely bitter desiccated note that spoke indistinctly, and perhaps fantastically, of improper toast and excess time spent in used wood. Went very badly with a good chicken pot pie, which gave it a shrill tone. No bridal trousseau, this.
Unwilling to dismiss Gahier based on unitary sample size, gave subsequent vintage a go, found it wanting too, differing reasons. While the 07 tasted in January of 11 had too much brett (perhaps a tribute to 93 Overnoy), this 08, despite a pretty enough nose of metallic red fruit dipped in stemminess, had a strangely bitter desiccated note that spoke indistinctly, and perhaps fantastically, of improper toast and excess time spent in used wood. Went very badly with a good chicken pot pie, which gave it a shrill tone. No bridal trousseau, this.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
Though unappreciated by simians, Trousseau is a noble grape. In the right hands.
kirk wallace
kirk wallace
You inspired me to open a bottle of '09 Plein Sud. Quite delicious. Crunchy cranberry and sour cherries dancing in perfect balance with clean earthy flavors. Long finish. Really nice with mildly spiced RG Good Mother Stallard beans, roast chicken, rice and a mix of arugula, buckwheat greens and baby frisée.