Coturri strikes again and Gahier disappoints

originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Though unappreciated by simians, Trousseau is a noble grape. In the right hands.
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Negative. Trousseau is a grape which makes perfectly serviceable and often delicious wines.

Noble it is not.
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This sounds strangely certain about a claim that I have always, perhaps errantly, taken as inherently evaluative. Is there a received list of noble grapes about which one can say by reading, grape x is or is not on it? Sort of like a Debrett's Peerage and Baretonage? If so, and Trousseau isn't in it, I guess you could say this. Otherwise, it seems overreaching.
 
originally posted by mlawton:
I think we need to rank the grapes by nobility. That would be a great exercise.
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Trousseau (aka Bastardo) would certainly seem to be squarely in the baseborn camp.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Though unappreciated by simians, Trousseau is a noble grape. In the right hands.
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Negative. Trousseau is a grape which makes perfectly serviceable and often delicious wines.

Noble it is not.
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This sounds strangely certain about a claim that I have always, perhaps errantly, taken as inherently evaluative. Is there a received list of noble grapes about which one can say by reading, grape x is or is not on it? Sort of like a Debrett's Peerage and Baretonage? If so, and Trousseau isn't in it, I case you could say this. Otherwise, it seems overreaching.
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I think most agree that the noble grape varities are pinot noir and riesling with people arguing for nebbiolo, chardonnay, and one of the cabernet family (I would be tempted to add cabernet franc, but that would be unwise).
 
Barone Bianca, Barone dell'Aterno, Comte de Kerkowe, Comte Odart, Comtessa, Conte Rosso, Regina Bianca di Firenze, Red Queen, Red Prince, King Dela, King's Ruby, Queen, Queen Victoria, Kaisermuskat, Königstraube, Dauphiné, Prince of Wales, Princessa, Kromprinz Rudolf, and Principessa di Piemonte are all noble grapes. There must be some others, too.

"Maréchal" Foch is not, as La Grande Illusion amply demonstrates, e.g., here. (Seem to be on a Gabin kick today.) Add on edit: Aha! The scene I was searching for.
 
Wouldn't Gouais Blanc be the most noble grape, since its the ancestor of chardonnay, riesling,and so many other members of the vinifera peerage?
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Though unappreciated by simians, Trousseau is a noble grape. In the right hands.
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Negative. Trousseau is a grape which makes perfectly serviceable and often delicious wines.

Noble it is not.
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Have some 1875 Bastardo and get back to me.
 
Last night, an 08 Tissot Singulier Trousseau was much more to my liking than the Gahier (no wood, for those who ascribe), though (to contradict myself) still far from blue blooded.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Last night, an 08 Tissot Singulier Trousseau was much more to my liking than the Gahier (no wood, for those who ascribe), though (to contradict myself) still far from blue blooded.
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I have never been a fan of Tissot, outside of the sparkling wines. One of my complaints has been the use of oak. The 2010s, however, appear to be a departure for the (less oak) better. I am excited to try them again. I will have to try the 08 Tissot Singulier Trousseau.
 
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