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The idea that Donnhoff wines lack precision boggles the mind (and is also wrong). That the 2006 Krotenpfuhl Spatlese lacks precision is predictable given its vintage & the fact that much of the Krotenpfuhl is currently young vines.
 
while Levi may have overstated your case, you may also be overstating his objection.
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Of course I am. Lawton and Malinoski demanded entertainment. How entertaining is reasonable semi-agreement? I'm a slave to the audience...

apparently Levi feels that you are imposing too narrow a criterion of "precision" and "definition" on your judgement of the wine
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See, I don't think that's right. Levi's objection suggested that there was an unwritten but implied phrase in my note: "precision and definition [akin to a Mosel]". If I had written that, I'd agree that it was an objectionable comparison. But I didn't. The comparisons to the Mosel (or Trimbach) were introduced by Levi, not me.

Maybe the problem is that I should have made explicit the other unwritten phrase: "...for a [whatever]". One could reasonably append that to many (perhaps not all) tasting notes. If I call a gewurztraminer tannic, which I sometimes do, I obviously don't mean to compare it to a Madiran that I call tannic. And the same applies here.

Lumped in with Brad. That's rough.
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If you stand in the arena, you're going to meet some lions.

Maybe I brought up those points in too slapdash a fashion. If so, I apologize.
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Oh, come on. The Michaels are going to be really let down if you continue in this fashion.

For what it's worth, I jeeb often enough with Mr. I Have Three Hundred Cases of Dnnhoff In My Cellar that I don't really feel contextually deprived on the subject. I'm all for gossamer wings, etc., I love Dnnhoff, and I really don't want this wine to taste like Mosel kabinett, or (heavens) Trimbach. All I can do is repeat what I wrote in the note: this wine would have been better (more to my taste, if you prefer) with a little more precision or definition.
 
originally posted by Thor:

For what it's worth, I jeeb often enough with Mr. I Have Three Hundred Cases of Dnnhoff In My Cellar that I don't really feel contextually deprived on the subject.
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So you have met Miran Kegl?
 
originally posted by David M. Bueker:
The idea that Donnhoff wines lack precision boggles the mind (and is also wrong).
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Perhaps. As would be the idea that there is no gossamer in Egon Muller.

But the distinction seems useful for highlighting the primary attributes of the wines in question. I can't speak to winemaker intention, but apparently Levi has info on that.
 
since I'm fanning the flames, I'll get out the accelerant and state that I like Donnhoff's wines but don't love them. Some, I find excellent - but I do not find them universally so - while I am aware that some do. I have no problem with that, because in my view the only absolute in wine is when the bottle is absolutely empty. Everything else is subjective.

So yeah, I tend to agree with Thor in that to my taste, the 2006 Donnhoff in question was lacking a little clarity and precision. In the light of all the other mitigating factors (vintage, appellation, label color, phase of the moon, whatever) that may have been understandable - but it doesn't mean that it didn't exist.

If we would just use points, this would all be much clearer. Then we could argue about standard deviations, mean errors between Levi and Thor (giving us something to rank them with) and develop predictions by producer, appellation, vintage, etc.

I believe we need mandatory points, emoticons and avatars. I'm a maverick for change.
 
You are right, I was just stirring the tank. I will resist the draw and conduct myself with a little more sense.
 
originally posted by Charles Weiss:
originally posted by Dan McQ:
Choosing an electrical engineering pun is certainly a high wire act. I am not sure I have the capacitor to pull it off.
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Ohm my god!
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Charlie-

After yesterday's performance against the Tarheels, shouldn't you be out recruiting rather than frittering away your time on a wine board?
 
originally posted by Dan McQ:
Choosing an electrical engineering pun is certainly a high wire act. I am not sure I have the capacitor to pull it off.
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Ohmigod! Did you get a charge out of that, by Debye? It did Leyden up my day, though.

Ewald Georg van Kleist
 
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