2009 Clos de la Roilette Fleurie

originally posted by SFJoe:
The "Tardive" is to some extent a pun on "Nouveau." It's the anti-Nouveau. Slow elevage, long keeping.
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Well shit. I thought I had mags of sweet Bojo.

+1
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by SFJoe:
I'll open a 2002 for you when you're next in town and you can see what you think. I don't think it tastes like Pinot (yet?), but it's awfully good.
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But what about the 1980 Huet Vin de Glace?
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Yikes!!!
 
I'm on board with Sharon's attack on misplaced and dangling modifiers. If there is a distinction between "different than" and "different from," it must be in a language different than English or in a theory different from the one I know.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I'm on board with Sharon's attack on misplaced and dangling modifiers. If there is a distinction between "different than" and "different from," it must be in a language different than English or in a theory different from the one I know.
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Research, and ye shall find.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I'm on board with Sharon's attack on misplaced and dangling modifiers. If there is a distinction between "different than" and "different from," it must be in a language different than English or in a theory different from the one I know.
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Research, and ye shall find.
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Pure bluff. In nineteenth century grammar, "different than" was reserved for distinctions between nouns and clauses. The writing handbooks I know, and I know a few, explicitly eschew a difference. Refer to St. Peter's answer to the person who showed up at the pearly gates and announced, "it is I."
 
I was taught that "different than" is bad grammar, but I don't know that rule's provenance or in what communities it once had force. I can still hear my English teacher: "different from, different from, different from, different from...."
 
I think it appears thus in Strunk and White, for many (like me) the writer's abridged bible. Jonathan, I take it, possesses the unabridged bible - so to speak - in several editions.
 
originally posted by Steven Spielmann:
I was taught that "different than" is bad grammar, but I don't know that rule's provenance or in what communities it once had force. I can still hear my English teacher: "different from, different from, different from, different from...."
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Your English teacher had a bete noire. Since numbers of people still, to my surprise, share it, e.g. Oswaldo, he was probably giving good advice in terms of avoiding even undeserved opprobrium. But there is no grammatical logic by which it might be justified, and usage no longer favors it. By the way, if you are a Brit, you might say "different to," a usage that no American favors, but equally available grammatically.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
It was eschewed as bad grammar and has now achieved sufficient usage to get by, but retains its uglyness.
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"Ugliness," which, as we know, is in the eye of the beholder.
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Oswaldo and Bowman have my proxy.
 
originally posted by VLM:


A Democrat is addled and ineffective.

A rich Republican is a cynic and a non-rich one is an idiot.
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while a democrat can do no right, a republican actively tries to do wrong.
 
originally posted by scottreiner:
originally posted by VLM:


A Democrat is addled and ineffective.

A rich Republican is a cynic and a non-rich one is an idiot.
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while a democrat can do no right, a republican actively tries to do wrong.
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These debates are so much clearer when presented on a chalkboard.
 
"The use of than, on the analogy of other than, after different, diverse, opposite, etc., is 'now mostly avoided' (OED). Some examples follow of irregularities that should not be allowed to appear in print. . . . But different than is sometimes preferred by good writers to the cumbersome different from that which etc., as it was by Richardson when he wrote A very different Pamela than I ued to leave all company and pleasure for. Modern examples are: He is using the word in quite a different sense than he did yesterday. -- The changes in the Commonwealth since the war ended . . . have left Great Britain in a very different position than she was in 1938. -- The air of the suburb has a quite different smell and feel at eleven o'clock in the morning than it has at the hours when the daily toiler is accustomed to take a few hurried sniffs at it." Pp. 620-21.
 
originally posted by Yule Kim:
Chambers StreetI was wondering whether Chambers Street 9/22 shipment of Coudert is the last shipment of the 2009s they are receiving. Trying to reconfigure my finances so I can buy a case before the Tardive is permanently sold out. If there is another shipment coming in after 9/22, it would ease my mind so I can let it sell out and wait for a future shipment of Coudert closer to the end of the year.
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Gone, hope you got some.
 
originally posted by Tom Glasgow:
originally posted by Yule Kim:
Chambers StreetI was wondering whether Chambers Street 9/22 shipment of Coudert is the last shipment of the 2009s they are receiving. Trying to reconfigure my finances so I can buy a case before the Tardive is permanently sold out. If there is another shipment coming in after 9/22, it would ease my mind so I can let it sell out and wait for a future shipment of Coudert closer to the end of the year.
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Gone, hope you got some.
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Oh shit.
 
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