I still love natural wine

[Ken Sacks]

director as auteur: Ingmar Bergman and Woody Allen. Maybe like Fellini, they wrote from within themselves?

 

[Unknown]

originally posted by Levi Dalton:

My questions are different. We know that what you grow over a long period of time affects the nature of the soil itself. Are vineyards creating their own terroir...

Very Solaris!

Tarkovsky Solaris, of course. Not that Clooney claptrap.

Dude!!!

And 1950 Petrus/1970 La Mission followed by Calek Blonde experience is very The Mirror (no Clooney version of that, thankfully).

 

[Ian Fitzsimmons]

I think Paramount helped Puzzo write The Godfather to support the movie. His other books don't approach the same standard.

 

[MLipton]

originally posted by Levi Dalton:

originally posted by SFJoe:

originally posted by Levi Dalton:

Tarkovsky Solaris, of course. Not that Clooney claptrap.

What price Lem?

I never read the book. I should. Have you?

Yes. Lem was a fascinating writer and Solaris one of his best known works. Tarkovsky's film stays fairly close to the story but is more impressionistic than the book (duh!), which lays out the issues more concretely. Both are good IMO.

Mark Lipton

 

[Sharon Bowman]

originally posted by Levi Dalton:
One of the few dudes who works entirely originally, from his own notepad, and is all the better for it is Chris Marker. But he could have been a writer anyway. Fellini was also an original, but so much of that was autobiographical in inspiration.

There's no fiction without drawing on lived experience. Puzzling over your distinction, here.

 

[Levi Dalton]

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:

originally posted by Levi Dalton:
One of the few dudes who works entirely originally, from his own notepad, and is all the better for it is Chris Marker. But he could have been a writer anyway. Fellini was also an original, but so much of that was autobiographical in inspiration.

There's no fiction without drawing on lived experience. Puzzling over your distinction, here.

I'm sure you'll suss it out eventually.

Of course Mario Puzo was the acknowledged criminal kingpin of the 5 boroughs, and Lem was often in orbit around distant planets.

 

[Sharon Bowman]

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
There's no fiction without drawing on lived experience. Puzzling over your distinction, here.

originally posted by Levi Dalton:
I'm sure you'll suss it out eventually.

Of course Mario Puzo was the acknowledged criminal kingpin of the 5 boroughs, and Lem was often in orbit around distant planets.

Please, now tell me photography is a derelict art alongside painting.

You can put your snarkiness away, please, because you really do make no sense to suss out.

Could there perhaps be an interaction between characters in a science fictional or criminal world that were drawn from something lived by its author? Heaven forfend.

How Fellini's art could be less than Chris Marker's because parts are drawn from his life is an alien conjecture to me. I'll suss all you want, but I might die of asphyxiation.

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Levi Dalton:

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:

originally posted by Levi Dalton:
One of the few dudes who works entirely originally, from his own notepad, and is all the better for it is Chris Marker. But he could have been a writer anyway. Fellini was also an original, but so much of that was autobiographical in inspiration.

There's no fiction without drawing on lived experience. Puzzling over your distinction, here.

I'm sure you'll suss it out eventually.

Of course Mario Puzo was the acknowledged criminal kingpin of the 5 boroughs, and Lem was often in orbit around distant planets.

I've never read Lem. I think I will correct that unless reading him in translation is no good. Damn my parochial American ways.

 

[Cory Cartwright]

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Levi Dalton:

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:

originally posted by Levi Dalton:
One of the few dudes who works entirely originally, from his own notepad, and is all the better for it is Chris Marker. But he could have been a writer anyway. Fellini was also an original, but so much of that was autobiographical in inspiration.

There's no fiction without drawing on lived experience. Puzzling over your distinction, here.

I'm sure you'll suss it out eventually.

Of course Mario Puzo was the acknowledged criminal kingpin of the 5 boroughs, and Lem was often in orbit around distant planets.

I've never read Lem. I think I will correct that unless reading him in translation is no good. Damn my parochial American ways.

Lem is one of the greats, not only of science fiction, but 20th century fiction in general. I blame George Lucas for the fact that he isn't read more.

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Cory Cartwright:

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Levi Dalton:

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:

originally posted by Levi Dalton:
One of the few dudes who works entirely originally, from his own notepad, and is all the better for it is Chris Marker. But he could have been a writer anyway. Fellini was also an original, but so much of that was autobiographical in inspiration.

There's no fiction without drawing on lived experience. Puzzling over your distinction, here.

I'm sure you'll suss it out eventually.

Of course Mario Puzo was the acknowledged criminal kingpin of the 5 boroughs, and Lem was often in orbit around distant planets.

I've never read Lem. I think I will correct that unless reading him in translation is no good. Damn my parochial American ways.

Lem is one of the greats, not only of science fiction, but 20th century fiction in general. I blame George Lucas for the fact that he isn't read more.

I fucking hate George Lucas.

 

[SFJoe]

originally posted by VLM:

I fucking hate George Lucas.

You know, I'm getting there myself.

 

[Jay Miller]

Now, now, let us pity him for his failings rather than hate him. And of course lock him before he can make another movie.

I loved Stanislaw Lem's books but haven't touched one in about 30 years. Might be time for a revisit.

 

[Levi Dalton]

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
There's no fiction without drawing on lived experience. Puzzling over your distinction, here.

originally posted by Levi Dalton:
I'm sure you'll suss it out eventually.

Of course Mario Puzo was the acknowledged criminal kingpin of the 5 boroughs, and Lem was often in orbit around distant planets.

Please, now tell me photography is a derelict art alongside painting.

You can put your snarkiness away, please, because you really do make no sense to suss out.

Could there perhaps be an interaction between characters in a science fictional or criminal world that were drawn from something lived by its author? Heaven forfend.

How Fellini's art could be less than Chris Marker's because parts are drawn from his life is an alien conjecture to me. I'll suss all you want, but I might die of asphyxiation.

The point was creativity vs. working from a text, whether that be someone else's text, or one's personal history.

I take the extra time to direct you to the point, as you seem to have missed it.

You are a funny one to be upset by snark, especially in these confines.

 

[Sharon Bowman]

One's personal history could only in a pretty broad sense be termed "text." But then, I shed all that talk after grad school.

I'm fascinated by your analysis.

 

[Sharon Bowman]

A good example, Levi: Proust was never straight (never flew to outer space or was in the mafia, either), yet somehow Albertine is a woman, a character and situation drawn from his own personal experiences with a completely different person of different social standing and sex. Based thereon, but made fiction.

Maybe Proust is less sharp than Danielle Steele, who's certainly never been on a pirate ship in the 18th century, or what have you.

 

[Levi Dalton]

Probably this conversation would be more interesting to you if you were speaking to yourself, so I'll leave you to it. Certainly you have made no effort to understand what I have said.

Also, Chris Marker is more creative than Fellini. Fact.

 

[Sharon Bowman]

No, I think your argumentation is specious and shoddy. You haven't thought enough about these things and are lumping artists you have different appreciations of into different categories in a random way. Just say, as you just have, that you find the art of Chris Marker more creative than the art of Fellini, full stop. Don't make slamming Sharon Bowman part of the fun.

 

[kirk wallace]

I beg you both, please put down the heavy weaponry and back away from the brink. You're scaring the kids.

 

[Rahsaan]

What kids?

 

[Ian Fitzsimmons]

I think we need Thor's views here, and Nathan's.