John McIlwain
John McIlwain
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Too much Beaujolais?
- Thread starter SFJoe
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On tonight's evidence, I absolve Yvon Metras of any such sin on the grounds of his 2008 Fleurie. It's some pretty nice wine. The tannins may be a tiny bit hard, but they don't intrude.originally posted by SFJoe:
I hate to dismiss a vintage with broad generalizations, my elevage was better than that, but if I had broad objections it would be to 2008. One frequently encounters green tannins that don't really delight.
I like it better this month than his very ripe 2009, which may be a bit far along the path of ripeness, and not righteousness, for me.
Mr. Doghead
Robert Callahan
Beaujolais, whether good, bad, young, or old, and whether wooded or not, never tastes like pinot noir from parts northward in France. Well, maybe on rare occasion when the wine comes from the very south of the Beaujolais, but even that tastes more like Côtes d'Or gamay than like pinot noir. Beaujolais may sometimes taste like Germany and Swiss pinot noir, but not like Burgundy. Not even if the wine was vinified with yeast intended to produce aromas like Burgundy and the wine was raised in barrels like they favor in Burgundy.
This isn't about quality. The wines just taste, smell, age, and usually even look different. A great Beaujolais is a great wine whether or not its aged character suggests Burgundy or anything else. And a bad one that manages to taste to Kane like Burgundy is still bad, whether or not anyone else tastes "dead leaves" in it.
The old cliché about this or that example being one that should "pinot" with age just intends to suggest the wines do age, and that they will get closer in general character to the more famous wines from near by, as older red wines of similar general shape will tend to do.
About 2009, some of the wines are good, some not, so far as I've seen. Imagine that.
With all the progress in wine geekdom, the horrid marketing crap regarding vintage continues to possess popular imagination. I suppose my work isn't yet all done. Fads come and go but horse shit never dies.
This isn't about quality. The wines just taste, smell, age, and usually even look different. A great Beaujolais is a great wine whether or not its aged character suggests Burgundy or anything else. And a bad one that manages to taste to Kane like Burgundy is still bad, whether or not anyone else tastes "dead leaves" in it.
The old cliché about this or that example being one that should "pinot" with age just intends to suggest the wines do age, and that they will get closer in general character to the more famous wines from near by, as older red wines of similar general shape will tend to do.
About 2009, some of the wines are good, some not, so far as I've seen. Imagine that.
With all the progress in wine geekdom, the horrid marketing crap regarding vintage continues to possess popular imagination. I suppose my work isn't yet all done. Fads come and go but horse shit never dies.
Get to work.originally posted by Mr. Doghead:
I suppose my work isn't yet all done.
originally posted by Mr. Doghead:
And a bad one that manages to taste to Kane like Burgundy is still bad, whether or not anyone else tastes "dead leaves" in it.
Good to have you back, Doghead. Btw, since your last period of posting activity, I now like Gamay and even some Red Burgs. Dead leaves aren't necessarily a bad thing, unless they're accompanied by green meanies.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
The many measured, specific notes on 09 Beajolais on WD are one of the benefits of reading here.
Wouldn't Cellartracker be more beneficial to you if this were the rationale?
Not so much. How do you like the CT notes?
I never read them.
Ah, then your question makes sense.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
originally posted by Mr. Doghead:
... but horse shit never dies.
Too much bacteria. Bacteria is very persistent.
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by Ned Hoey:
I always regret when I generalize about vintages.
Huh.
Not an Aristotelian, I assume?
Thank you, even though you are an English major.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
I'm sure I speak for the assembled hosts of post-Wine Therapy newbies when I reverently offer a collective garland to this mythical creature of yore. In huddled awe, we shall refrain from asking you to leave the elder statesman rap in the closet and expiate your long absence with humility. No, we shall kneel in wonder at your legend and curtsy in deference to your reputation. Welcome, o mighty Doghead, may your wisdom long grace these pages!
Mr. Doghead
Robert Callahan
Fuck you too, Waldo.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
Waldo my ass.
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
Where?
Mr. Doghead
Robert Callahan
originally posted by Yixin:
You still owe me counselling fees from that dinner at Maureen's. So many fucked up wines in one evening.
Not my fault the thought of that day failed to take with you. Every bottle is different and there are always more wines to be had, in principle. Keep that in mind and your attitude toward wine needs no adjustment, right?
Mr. Doghead
Robert Callahan
Where's Waldo?
Mianus.
Mianus.
originally posted by Mr. Doghead:
originally posted by Yixin:
You still owe me counselling fees from that dinner at Maureen's. So many fucked up wines in one evening.
Not my fault the thought of that day failed to take with you. Every bottle is different and there are always more wines to be had, in principle. Keep that in mind and your attitude toward wine needs no adjustment, right?
Wow, wine therapy in truth! As another relative newb to this party, I am likewise heartened to read your missives here.
Mark Lipton
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Robert! Your bits are showing.
originally posted by Mr. Doghead:
Fads come and go but horse shit never dies.
Brilliant. I am using this. Where do I send the residual checks?
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by Ned Hoey:
I always regret when I generalize about vintages.
Huh.
Not an Aristotelian, I assume?
Possibly not when it comes to wine though that line was just a quip, as in being absurdly self contradictory.
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by Mr. Doghead:
originally posted by Yixin:
You still owe me counselling fees from that dinner at Maureen's. So many fucked up wines in one evening.
Not my fault the thought of that day failed to take with you. Every bottle is different and there are always more wines to be had, in principle. Keep that in mind and your attitude toward wine needs no adjustment, right?
Wow, wine therapy in truth! As another relative newb to this party, I am likewise heartened to read your missives here.
Mark Lipton
Nah, over-rated.