TN: Foreau-a-thon! Twenty wines from Foreau.

Brad Kane

Brad Kane
I’ve been looking forward to this tasting since I first proposed a Foreau dinner over four years ago. Finally, this past Saturday, May 14th, at the home of Don and Melissa Rice which, not so coincidentally, was the site of the original Huet-a-thon back in ’00, the stars were in the right alignment and ten Vouvray lovers gathered for our first ever Foreau-a-thon!

Founded in 1923 by Armand Foreau, Philippe Foreau's (the current proprietor) grandfather, the domaine is five years older than Huet, though with about 12 hectares, is just shy of having 1/3 the amount of land that Huet does. Consequently, there’s just a lot less Foreau out in the market and tracking down older bottles, which is relatively easy with Huet, is pretty darn hard with Foreau. That being the case, we made things a little easier by making the theme 1989-2009, as many of us have been collecting wines since these vintages came out and they’re generally what’s available in the marketplace. I happened to spy a ’76 Moelleux Réserve recently at auction, so I bought it just to have something a little older and I hadn’t had that one before.

It was a great tasting and really gave those present a clear sense of the domaine’s style. Generally speaking, the wines of Foreau tend to lean a little austere in comparison to those of Huet with a little less upfront fruit and a little more apparent structure. On release they tend to be a little tougher and shut down quicker. That said, there can be no doubting the quality of the vineyard or the winemaking and it is rightfully considered tops in the AOC with Huet.

Sparkling Flight.

2002 Foreau- Vouvray Brut Réserve
Fresh, crisp and a touch austere with biscuit, pear, quince and mineral flavors and aromas. There's nice depth and complexity here and the wine shows a fine bead. Picks up some bitter almond and citrus pith on the finish. B+/A-.

Foreau- Vouvray Vouvray Brut "Cuvee 2004-2005"
Corked. NR.

Sec Flight.

1996 Foreau- Vouvray Sec
Shows beautiful aromas of stone fruits, loads of bee's wax and bergamot. On the palate it's a vivid and formidable bone dry wine with a mountain of acid. Intensely mineral with lightly spiced apples, apricots and honey, it's a bit tough on entry but really explodes across the mid-palate through a long finish. There's just enough ripeness to the fruit to help balance out the big time structure. Not for the faint of heart. A-.

1997 Foreau- Vouvray Sec
In comparison to the '96, this was a much friendlier, loosey goosey wine once it saw some air. It took a little while to get going aromatically before showing some quince with white and yellow flowers. On the palate, too, it was diffident at first blush and hid behind a screen of matchsticks before revealing a plump yellow fruit and chalk profile. Lower acid than the '96 and more ready to go. Low A-.

1999 Foreau- Vouvray Sec
Shows the vintage's grey rot problem in spades, with sulfur, to boot. Really brought home the smell of caps from my youth as well as swim team when it showed a chlorine note. Just not pleasant. C-.

2006 Foreau- Vouvray Sec
This was showing young and grapey. Just a lot of primary fun right now with puppy friendly yellow fruit, honeysuckle and mineral that tends to obscure the structure underneath, making the wine seem softer than it is. Good stuff. B+/A-.

2007 Foreau- Vouvray Sec
The most closed wine of the flight, both aromatically and on the palate. This one is all about structure right now. It's dense with a lot of mineral, but one gets a sense that there's a bunch of yellow fruit buried in there somewhere. Decant like hell, or just leave them in your cellar for awhile. B+/B now with room for improvement.

Demi-Sec Flight.

1995 Foreau- Vouvray Demi-Sec
This wine was a bit controversial. Eden swore the wine was corked, though the rest of us initially thought it was just exhibiting a lot of Chenin wooliness. Indeed, with air it did dissipate. However, while the wine showed nicely and did get better with air, I don't think anyone was convinced this was an intact bottle. It just seemed there was something slightly off about it, though it was not corked. When I decanted it before heading to the tasting I was a bit worried as it was showing a strong oxidative character and was really disjointed with the alcohol sticking out a bit. By the time we tried it at the tasting, about four hours later, while it still exhibited a light oxidative note, the wine was much better integrated. Certainly wooly, with typical quince, apricot and mineral notes, with baked spiced apples in the background. Nicely balanced, though the sugar shows a slight caramelized note to it. By the end of the night I was ready to give it an A-/B+, but I want to try another bottle from a different source before I really judge it. NR.

1996 Foreau- Vouvray Demi-Sec
This was a mouthful! Extremely intense and delineated and the most orange in profile of the flight. This is all about apricot, bergamot and orange creamsicles with razor wire structure. It's a big wine and shows more sugar than the '95, but it's well contained. It picks up a nice gingery note on the finish. Really nice wine. You just don't find '96 demi-secs on the market that often from Foreau, or from Huet, for that matter and the reason has to be folks know how good they are and have either drank them, or are holding on to them. A/A-.

1997 Foreau- Vouvray Demi-Sec
Shows the vintage's ripeness and botrytis character, but also shows more acidity than I think many would've expected from '97. Personally, I've always felt that Vouvray weathered the heat better than most other appellations in the Loire. Forward and ripe on the palate with a very yellow profile. Lots of quince, yellow flowers and chalk. Lowish acidity in comparison to the others in the flight, but it gets the job done. As with many wines tonight, it picks up a nice gingery note on the finish. Low A-.

2005 Foreau- Vouvray Demi-Sec
Seems a little like a blend of the '97 and '96. It's opulent and plush across the palate, though seems to just be starting to shed its baby fat. Still has some primary sweetness, though the wine is nicely balanced. Yellow and stone fruits with a nice mineral streak. A-.

2008 Foreau- Vouvray Demi-Sec
Showing as brilliantly as it did last month. This is a special wine that's so alive and invigorating. Vivacious structure with wonderful purity and focus to the fruit. Lots of quince, kumquat and citrus flavors with a keen mineral streak. The ginger note is also here and it's really become apparent that it's a unique character to Foreau's wines as you just don't see it as prevalently in Huet's wines, just down the block. Wonderful stuff. A/A-.

Moelleux Flight.

1996 Foreau- Vouvray Moelleux
Shows a little bit of sulfur from the get go that eventually subsides. It has the '96 brightness and structure with a strong mineral character. No Réserve made this year as there was little botrytis. Plenty sweet, but there's that wonderful acid backbone. Typical apricot and earl grey tea flavors and aromas. Still quite young. In fact, the '96 Sec and Demi-Sec are showing a bit more personality than this one. That said, it's lovely. A-.

1999 Foreau- Vouvray Moelleux
Like the '99 Sec, this is showing the faults of the mediocre vintage. There's an intense, almost overwhelming saffron note to the wine with quince and ginger. Unfortunately, it also shows a bunch of rot, is a bit disjointed and just doesn't have enough stuffing to stand up to the structure. B.

2003 Foreau- Vouvray Moelleux
Never been a huge fan of this wine due to the torrid conditions of 2003, but while still pretty fat, the wine is showing marginally more acidity than it did on release. Loads of ripe orange citrus, apricot and tropical fruit. Certainly pleasant enough and it'll scratch a sweetie craving nicely, but there's no getting around the fact that the wine could use more cut. Low A-.

2008 Foreau- Vouvray Moelleux
Like the '08 Demi-Sec, this is a special wine. I can't say it enough. Foreau's '08's show an amazing life force to them. Just riveting structure and such precise flavors. The wine is taut, focused and expansive and shows sweet quince and exotic tropical fruit flavors with the usual mineral vein. Like '96, no Réserve was made due to it being a low botrytis vintage. The wine is plenty sweet, though, but perfectly balanced. Just gorgeous. A.

Moelleux Réserve Flight.

1976 Foreau- Vouvray Moelleux Réserve
I was thrilled to see this at auction on winebid last week and managed to win it and get it here two days before the vertical. Despite being shipped across the country, the wine showed nicely. It certainly has that austerity that the '76's exhibit, and was rather severe when first poured, but it really came together with extended airing. It shows very similarly to a Moelleux bottling that Don opened almost a year and a half ago, with its marzipan, apricot, earl grey tea and shoe polish character, but the sugar level is higher and really helps round the wine out. By the end of the evening the wine was picking up a nice spiced persimmon note and had developed more flesh around its bones. Lovely. Solid A-.

1989 Foreau- Vouvray Moelleux Réserve
Damn! Damn! Damn! Corked! A real shame, as this undoubtedly would've vied for wine of the night honors as this is a stellar wine when on. NR.

1990 Foreau- Vouvray Moelleux Réserve
A terrific showing for this wine. It's a deep amber color with reddish tinges and has been showing this way for at least ten years now. It exhibits almost a Tokaji Essencia profile with it's intensely sweet, raisiny, apricot and botrytis filled character, but it's surprisingly intense acidity (for a '90), bergamot and mineral notes bring it back into the Vouvray fold. Absolutely charming and dynamic with an endless finish that picks up a marmalade note. Given the ripeness and sweetness, the wine shows surprising freshness. There was a discussion as to whether this wine will drink any better than it is right now. Maybe not, but it should drink really well for decades. My WOTN. Low A+.

2003 Foreau- Vouvray Moelleux Réserve
Ultra rich and intensely sweet, for all intents and purposes it's apricot and tropical fruit compote. There's just enough acidity here to keep the wine from being cloying, but it could really use more. Enjoyable, but very indicative of the vintage and even though I have a really big sweet tooth, there's only so much of this I can drink. A-.

Some pictures from the evening.

The full monty.
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A nice spread.
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Sec flight.
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Demi-Sec flight.
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Moelleux flight.
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Moelleux Réserve flight.
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Don Rice, host with the most, shows off his original Space Probe game.
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Rahsaan, Cliff and Don sitting pretty, showing the proper way to enjoy a Foreau-a-thon.
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Don shows Jeff an article about Foreau buying the Clos Naudin property from a January 1924 Touraine viticulture periodical.
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A closer look.
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Jay opens some bottles.
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Eden gives me the "really?" look.
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Cool Loire artifacts.
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The Loire on 45!
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The 1990 Réservein the glass.
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Jeff also gives me the "really?" look.
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My notes are much less detailed. But here they are:

Sparkling
2002 Brut Reserve - This was a lovely way to start the evening. Fizzy fruity and elegant. I heard Brad complaining about bitterness but nobody else seemed to mind.

2004/2005 Brut Reserve - Corked.

Sec
1996 - A lot of folks liked this but it was a bit too autumnal apple for me. Admittedly it gained weight and depth on the palate which one wouldn't have predicted from the nose. But it still didn't stir me. Others thought it was the best of the secs.

1997 - Surprisingly this may have been my favorite of the secs. It took a while to open up but when it did it was juicy racy bright and fun. Certainly more generous than the 96 but it also had a rocky edge. Yet I think Brad called it too ripe. Which meant that I was disagreeing with him in the wrong direction. Wow!

1999 - Austere and severe. Plus sulfur. Some folks tried to put a positive spin on the wine by calling the smell 'saffron'. But the rest of us were not deceived!

2006 - Friendly and juicy but a bit too young and soft right now.

2007 - I think I liked this a lot more than other folks. Sure it was young and still unformed. But something about the chalky mineral drinkability was great fun. Not stacked with fruit, it slid down my palate.

Demi-Sec
1995 - Various debates about how this shows over time. Again, for my palate this mainly fell in the "too autumnal apple" camp and was difficult to focus on. Although with air it picked up more and more precision which meant I preferred it to the 96 at the end of the night.

1996 - This showed brighter, sweeter and friendlier than the 95. Perhaps a touch soft right now (although surely a 96 spine is there?), it was more fun than the 95 at first but then it stayed too soft.

1997 - More in line with what I expected from the vintage than the 97 sec. It was too diffuse.

2005 - Structured and still sorting itself out.

2008 - Everyone else loved this but I thought it was showing a bit awkward. Sure it was lively, crunchy, and very zesty with those big bright acids. But my glasses always came off as unformed and I much preferred the 08 Moelleux for drinking now.

Moelleux
1996 - Starts off in autumnal apple territory but with air shows some nice maturing complexity to the flavors. The texture is very tactile and layered but remains bright enough to sparkle the mouth even after 24 hours of air. Nice.

1999 - Sulfur. Teeth shattering sulfur. Same as the sec.

2003 - My other big surprise of the evening. This was not at all silly. Sure it was ripe but it was also decently fresh and it stayed lively even 24 hours later. This was very nice and I'd be interested to see it in the future.

2008 - This was very impressive. So zesty so mineral so fun fun fun. Big big acids but enough fruit covering the bones. Very delicious and only gets better with air.

Moelleux Reserve
1976 - Starts off loose but pulls itself together and shows the bracing directness that is apparently common for the vintage. I didn't dig it because it seemed matured out past the interest of its structure and my palate. But Brad was a fan (and he recently acquired it), so that was good.

1989 - Corked. This was such a shame.

1990 - At least we had this to make up for it. Much more advanced than the 1989 and probably not something to hold as long. It was almost the color of coca cola and at first the flavors reminded me of iced tea. But it gained grip with air and was thick, sweet, evolved, complicated, delicious, delicious, delicious. Comparisons were flying about Tokaji Essencia. Perhaps. This was one of the last bottles we breached but I think it was the first bottle emptied!

2003 - Much more of a poster child for the woes of 2003 than the regular Moelleux. Don't know if that will improve with time, but for now I'd stick with the regular.
 
Interesting to hear about its changes with lots of air. I guess I should have re-visited it.

One can't do everything!
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
76 ReserveInteresting to hear about its changes with lots of air. I guess I should have re-visited it.

It really fleshed out with air. It was lovely just moments before we left. I should've decanted when I got there, or before I left the house, as I did with the Demi-Secs.

I have to admit, in listening to your comments about the wines that night, I was wondering if you actually liked Vouvray!
 
First, and most importantly, it was a great time! A perfect combination of (way too much) wine, food, and good company. I especially liked 1996 and 2008, across the board and was surprised by how much I liked 2003. I couldn't quite appreciate the 1976 -- interesting, but very austere.

1996 Foreau Vouvray Sec Domaine du Clos Naudin
Beautiful, dense, tense, and beautifully framed. Pleasurable now, it's only showing hints, I think, of what it will become if it can stay in balance.

1997 Foreau Vouvray Sec Domaine du Clos Naudin
Quite a bit fuller than the 1996 and showing some RS, this is great right now. Fuller, rounder, it shows white flowers over stones over earth. Happy stuff.

1999 Foreau Vouvray Sec Domaine du Clos Naudin
Sulphur and rot. Maybe air would have coaxed something out of this? We double decanted and followed it over a couple of hours. Disappointing.

1996 Foreau Vouvray Demi-Sec Domaine du Clos Naudin
My favorite of the demi-secs with tons of upside potential. It will perhaps be eclipsed by 2008, but, for now, this is the stuff.

1997 Foreau Vouvray Demi-Sec Domaine du Clos Naudin
I got quite a bit of botrytis on this. It was lovely but not my favorite expression of their demi-sec.

2008 Foreau Vouvray Demi-Sec Domaine du Clos Naudin
Beautiful. This has it all.

2008 Foreau Vouvray Moelleux Domaine du Clos Naudin
YES

1999 Foreau Vouvray Moelleux Domaine du Clos Naudin
I got apples -- not the typical note from oxidation, just apples -- rot, and sulphur.

2003 Foreau Vouvray Moelleux Domaine du Clos Naudin
While I basically agree with Brad -- this is not a standout in a lineup of Foreau -- it is nonetheless damn good. Put it this way, if you're going to drink 2003, this is the way to go.

1989 Foreau Vouvray Moelleux Réserve Domaine du Clos Naudin
Clearly beautiful and pure, pale gold color, this bottle was probably not quite right. I didn't pick up TCA (I'm not that sensitive) but it seemed clipped. (NR/flawed)

1990 Foreau Vouvray Moelleux Réserve Domaine du Clos Naudin
The wine of the night for me, this was firing on all cylinders. Deep, mahogany color -- like a very old sherry, almost red -- but still fresh. It shows pronounced botrytis but remains nimble, deep bass notes framed with white floral overtones. I can imagine it holding and transforming for years, but I'm not sure I'll like it more. Perhaps if the sweetness folds into the frame successfully it could hit another level, but this is truly great already.
 
originally posted by Brad Kane:
I have to admit, in listening to your comments about the wines that night, I was wondering if you actually liked Vouvray!

I might not have given out as many As as you, but I really liked a bunch of the wines (97 sec, 07 sec, 96 demi, 03 and 08 Moelleux, 90 reserve were probably my favorites, plus the 02 Brut). Perhaps you caught me when I had the wrong wines in my glass.
 
I would like to thank everyone involved for helping Brad get this out of his system.

The 1990 was a perfect complete wine which demanded lingering over. So I did.

2.5 hours after the start of the dinner (don't ask) the 1997 Sec was my favorite of the Secs, showing a delightful herbal note.

Greatly preferred the regular 2003 Moelleux to the Reserve which was, at this point at least, too sweet for me.

I managed to bring both of the corked wines. Go me!

The 2008s were wonderful. Foreau is certainly giving Huet a run for their money in this vintage.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
I would like to thank everyone involved for helping Brad get this out of his system.

There were so many wines we missed! I'll get part deux organized quicker than it took to put this one together.

The 2008s were wonderful. Foreau is certainly giving Huet a run for their money in this vintage.

2009, as well. In fact, I found Foreau's '09 Demi-Sec much better than Huet's when I tasted them at the domaines last year.
 
No need for yet more notes; I'll just offer mods on Brad's (with which, fundamentally, I agree):

I liked the 97 Sec less than you did. It was dense and sweet but never showed any grace.

Your scores on both the 03 Moelleux and the 08 Moelleux are higher than I would have given. They were, indeed, full and rich but also not as bright as they needed to be to carry all that weight around. (Your descriptions of them are spot on but then you still give high marks?)

I thought the 76 Moelleux Reserve was the equal of the 90, in its own way, of course: the 76 was fermenty and nutty-unctuous (like marzipan) but was still so long and so tangy. (No complaints about the 90... the stereo was enjoying it, too, as it switched to Sinatra's "Dream Come True".)

I also want to thank everyone for the delightful potluck food:
roast chicken and roasted potatoes (Don/Melissa)
breads and cheeses (Rahsaan)
two galettes of roasted butternut squash, leeks, and chevre (Eden)
a whole smoked whitefish (Brad)
lemon-mint quinoa salad, cheese crisps, spring rolls, other nibbles (Cliff/Kim)
homemade coconut ice cream (Jeff)
homemade "Ebinger's" Blackout Cake (Jay)
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:

I liked the 97 Sec less than you did. It was dense and sweet but never showed any grace.

Your scores on both the 03 Moelleux and the 08 Moelleux are higher than I would have given. They were, indeed, full and rich but also not as bright as they needed to be to carry all that weight around.

You really thought the 08 Moelleux was too rich and heavy?

I didn't think any of these three wines were too heavy and all had enough acidity to keep me interested, even if the 97 Sec and 03 Moelleux were different types of vintages.

To each his own.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:

I liked the 97 Sec less than you did. It was dense and sweet but never showed any grace.

Your scores on both the 03 Moelleux and the 08 Moelleux are higher than I would have given. They were, indeed, full and rich but also not as bright as they needed to be to carry all that weight around.

You really thought the 08 Moelleux was too rich and heavy?

Agreed. This was as vivacious and wonderfully balanced as any wine. More so, in fact.

Where's Oswaldo when you need him?
 
Tut, tut, both of you. And, shame on you, Rahsaan, for setting up a straw man. I didn't say it was too rich and heavy. I said I wanted better definition (which the Demi-Sec had).
 
Odd! I had an icky bottle of the 1996 demisec with you a few years ago in the basement of Spice Market if I recall correctly. I think everyone agreed something went wrong there. I remember it smelled like hairspray or something, and I recently sold the other bottles from that stash on WineBid for a pittance...
 
I had one at Jay's house this past Fall and it was good.

Not sure about the Spice Market event but all bottles are not created equal.
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
Odd! I had an icky bottle of the 1996 demisec with you a few years ago in the basement of Spice Market if I recall correctly. I think everyone agreed something went wrong there. I remember it smelled like hairspray or something, and I recently sold the other bottles from that stash on WineBid for a pittance...

If it was two bottles, that was me. Thank you!
 
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
Odd! I had an icky bottle of the 1996 demisec with you a few years ago in the basement of Spice Market if I recall correctly. I think everyone agreed something went wrong there. I remember it smelled like hairspray or something, and I recently sold the other bottles from that stash on WineBid for a pittance...

If it was two bottles, that was me. Thank you!
Yes indeedy. Hope these show better!
 
Thanks for the write-ups, guys. I really enjoyed myself.

Twenty different wines telling twenty different stories, with no evident polish or parlor tricks to blur the view. Balanced, bland, awkward, complex, rotten, fresh, overripe, ethereal, all there in the glass. Threads of similarity too, in the consistent structural core beneath each vintage's changeable flesh.

And aren't you glad we managed a full flight of sec? Imagine what would have been missed.
 
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