Less Dumb & More Dumber

Oswaldo Costa

Oswaldo Costa
A local widow was recently selling her late husband's wine collection, and among the huddled masses of South Americans and overpriced Bordeaux lay these two gems, from the Rolls-Royce of Vouvray and the Bentley of Chabils, reasonably priced. Honorable gent that I am, couldn't risk leaving them out to pasture, even at the significant risk of ox and premox:

1992 Huet Le Mont Sec 12.0%
Dig that alcohol level. The vintage wasn't the greatest, but it's Huet. Cork extremely tight, a good sign. Had to use a wooden banger to push it in slightly before pulling it out. Color was gorgeous, honey gold with bronze highlights. Delicate nose of honey, almonds, acacia, and orangina, with light oxidation. Lovely mouth feel, fine acidity, pleasing bitterness at the end of the long finish. The oxidation, while not impeditive, didn't seem of a piece, so probably indicative of insufficient structure to last this long, but the good genes outdid themselves.

1999 René & Vincent Dauvissat Chablis Grand Cru Les Preuses 13.0%
Bless teh lawd, no premox! Lots of poop upon opening, subsides to reveal waxy lanolin, oak, white flowers, honey, almonds and, increasingly, butterscotch. Mouth shows lots of oak. Decent acidity, good weight, long finish. Tastes primary, even. As the evening progressed, I became increasingly irked by the surfeit of oak. Irk veered towards road rage. How can these twits smother such awesome matière with so much wood? If the chips haven't integrated in twelve years, will they ever? Morons. Retards.

I haven't tasted DRC or La Tache in the last few years, and don’t expect to buy any, ever, so will depend on the kindness of friends and strangers. Now I shudder to think that, when the time comes, I will look the gift horse in the mouth and find it oaky, and call de Villaine an idiot. But, then, let's face it, DRC isn't really Burgundy. It's a regional misappellation unto itself. REAL Burgundy is always light to medium weight, and shows subtle oak.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
I wonder how much of your "oak" is actually "oxidation+chardonnay"? Some, maybe?

Got no oxidation flavors from the Dauvissat, only from the Huet. Do you mean oxidation simply as the gradual effect of oxygen on the nature of the grape? Looking at the archives, I saw that you've had some experience with this cuvee & vintage of Dauvissat.
 
Chardonnay often tastes oaky to me even when I know it's been raised entirely in steel. A little age can emphasize this character.

I don't mistake Dauvissat for Coche, say. Dauvissat uses, what, 20% new wood on the GCs? Mr. Schwartze, could you remind us?
 
Dauvissat uses 20% new oak, max, for the Grands Crus. Usually more like 10% to 15%. Some people think that being a contrarian makes them cool, but often they just reveal dumbass-ness. But why let facts get in the way of an overblown, self-conscious screed?
 
originally posted by JSchwartze:
More About Taster Than WineDauvissat uses 20% new oak, max, for the Grands Crus. Usually more like 10% to 15%. Some people think that being a contrarian makes them cool, but often they just reveal dumbass-ness. But why let facts get in the way of an overblown, self-conscious screed?

I never said he uses 100% oak, just that it tasted like too much oak, so just fuck off, asshole.
 
originally posted by JSchwartze:
More About Taster Than WineDauvissat uses 20% new oak, max, for the Grands Crus. Usually more like 10% to 15%. Some people think that being a contrarian makes them cool, but often they just reveal dumbass-ness. But why let facts get in the way of an overblown, self-conscious screed?

More people who don't know the difference between arguing and name-calling. Sigh.
 
Not to get in the middle of the food fight, but I find that oak domination is much more apparent with heat damage, which is sounds like the Huet may have been if you had a high cork. Also butterscotch to me is a sign of heat damage, but there's butterscotch and then there's butterscotch. Maybe heat damage? ???

There, you're both right!

What a peacemaker I am. God bless the peacemakers.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by JSchwartze:
More About Taster Than WineDauvissat uses 20% new oak, max, for the Grands Crus. Usually more like 10% to 15%. Some people think that being a contrarian makes them cool, but often they just reveal dumbass-ness. But why let facts get in the way of an overblown, self-conscious screed?

More people who don't know the difference between arguing and name-calling. Sigh.

Oops, on my side of things, could "asshole" be construed as name calling? My bad.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by JSchwartze:
More About Taster Than WineDauvissat uses 20% new oak, max, for the Grands Crus. Usually more like 10% to 15%. Some people think that being a contrarian makes them cool, but often they just reveal dumbass-ness. But why let facts get in the way of an overblown, self-conscious screed?

More people who don't know the difference between arguing and name-calling. Sigh.

Oops, on my side of things, could "asshole" be construed as name calling? My bad.

For that matter, so could "morons" and "retards." I've got no dog in this fight, but my experiences with R (& V) Dauvissat have never turned up overuse of NFO, even with the Les Preuses, the '85 of which was one of the defining events in my descent into winegeekery (consumed one time at my Ph. D. celebration dinner at The Terrace, SFJoe).

Mark Lipton
 
Yes, though it's a stretch, I can see how morons and retards could be construed as name calling, but regulars, unlike parachutists (does that qualify?) can differentiate the real thing from theatrics.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

More people who don't know the difference between arguing and name-calling. Sigh.

You've caught a numerical change of 1, or 2, depending on how you read it. Congratulations on catching a numerical change of 1.
 
Apart from the excessive wood, the rest was fresh and wonderful, so I didn't suspect heat damage. It was only because the rest was so wonderful that the wood bothered me so much.
 
originally posted by MLipton:
Ph. D. celebration dinner at The Terrace
You were passably geeky even before then, in my memory. I don't remember many other folks who had a vintage or two of Clape Cornas in their wine racks during grad school.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by MLipton:
Ph. D. celebration dinner at The Terrace
You were passably geeky even before then, in my memory. I don't remember many other folks who had a vintage or two of Clape Cornas in their wine racks during grad school.

That's just 'cause we're so much older than Salil or Rahsaan, though. They make it clear to me that I was a slow learner.

Cheers!
Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by MLipton:
Ph. D. celebration dinner at The Terrace
You were passably geeky even before then, in my memory. I don't remember many other folks who had a vintage or two of Clape Cornas in their wine racks during grad school.
I had Verset!
 
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