Barroche Pure, 06

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Jonathan Loesberg

Jonathan Loesberg
See, this is really why I don't belong on this board. This note obviously belongs on the Parker board. But I liked this wine a lot. Sure it's big, probably alcoholic, though I didn't look. It's also 100% grenache from pre-phylloxera vines aged only in one very large foudre. Lots of raspberry on the nose, a chestnut thing in the finish, chateauneuf like all the way. It probably has invisibly tiny Greek philosophers who think that pleasure is the only good running around inside it. Posting a note praising this wine on the Parker board is pointless, so to speak, but posting it here has a certain in your face quality that tickles my fancy.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Barroche Pure, 06See, this is really why I don't belong on this board. This note obviously belongs on the Parker board. But I liked this wine a lot. Sure it's big, probably alcoholic, though I didn't look. It's also 100% grenache from pre-phylloxera vines aged only in one very large foudre. Lots of raspberry on the nose, a chestnut thing in the finish, chateauneuf like all the way. It probably has invisibly tiny Greek philosophers who think that pleasure is the only good running around inside it. Posting a note praising this wine on the Parker board is pointless, so to speak, but posting it here has a certain in your face quality that tickles my fancy.
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The wine sounds absolutely delightful. Does it come from a place? (Chteauneuf-du-Pape?) It doesn't sound like a Parker wine, but I'm probably not up to date with that category. I'm sorry that you're feeling like you don't belong. What? Do you think you're not sufficiently disordered? Maybe you're just cranky because Sharon isn't taking her tour down to D.C.
 
I had a Chateauneuf I liked over the weekend. Chateau Fortia, I think it was the '95. It was just the ticket with the pot roast, though the unoaked mencia stole a bit of thunder.

Sure beat my corked '85 Pradeaux, tho.
 
1) This is absolutely a Parker wine. This is the new Pegau of the Parker board. They chatter about it all the time. He gave the 05 maximum pointitude and this one only slightly less. So I should not be shrugged off for posting a positive tasting note about it here. I should be loudly buked and scorned. Where is the tude around here?

2)Domaine la Barroche started up in 03 under Julien Barrot, when I discovered it more or less by accident. Prior to that, Julien's father had sold most of his wines to Guigal, though bottling his own, "Lou Destr d'Antan" (the winepress of yesteryear or something like that), the one rendition of which I had, the 98, was quite good. In 04 he started making three cuvees, a reserve, a Fiance (oddly modern and not to my taste) and the Pure. More information is here:

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3)Yes he's the guy we had over to lunch. And no we didn't have any CdP. We did start with a white Hermitage, then a La Jota 90 and a Dominus 91 (thanks Craig) and finished with a Virginia dessert wine, a Linden Late Harvest Vidal, which he has since asked after by email and which he quite liked. That maybe because Barroche makes one of the only CdP dessert wines I know of and he is interested in the genre.

I think that covers it.
 
originally posted by Chris Coad:
I'm confused. Is the wine in question a Chteauneuf or a Bandol? Or is 'Pure' a place? Pur?
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Sorry, though by now I think this is answered, it is a Chateauneuf. It comes from a single vineyard in the sandy northern part of the appellation, cheek by jowl, to Rayas's Pignan vineyard, with pre-phylloxera vines. I had at first thought that Pure referred to the grenache and thus kept spelling it Pur, because grenache is masculine. It turns out, it refers to cuve, which is feminine, and hence Pure. Are there Bandol's that are 100% grenache? Isn't that against AOC regs?
 
I likes my Grenache. CdP is a wine I don't seriously collect, but I like having bottles around when in the mood. Moreover, I like it with a little more pizzazz than some other varieties. While I drink it for pleasure, it is not without its intellectual side and I've had some staggeringly good ones. As Jonathan indicates, Epicurus would be proud.

I haven't tried the Barroche wines yet. Coincidentally, I was supposed to have dinner with Julien Barrot last Thursday, but my wife had "book club" and I didn't really care enough about meeting him to bail on her.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
We did start with a white Hermitage, then a La Jota 90 and a Dominus 91 (thanks Craig) and finished with a Virginia dessert wine, a Linden Late Harvest Vidal, which he has since asked after by email and which he quite liked..
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Nice ambassadorial work!
 
originally posted by Ben Sherwin:
I likes my Grenache. CdP is a wine I don't seriously collect, but I like having bottles around when in the mood. Moreover, I like it with a little more pizzazz than some other varieties. While I drink it for pleasure, it is not without its intellectual side and I've had some staggeringly good ones. As Jonathan indicates, Epicurus would be proud.

I haven't tried the Barroche wines yet. Coincidentally, I was supposed to have dinner with Julien Barrot last Thursday, but my wife had "book club" and I didn't really care enough about meeting him to bail on her.
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You should have showed your wife a photo of him. If she's anything like my wife, she would have gone then.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
1) This is absolutely a Parker wine. This is the new Pegau of the Parker board. They chatter about it all the time. He gave the 05 maximum pointitude and this one only slightly less. So I should not be shrugged off for posting a positive tasting note about it here. I should be loudly buked and scorned. Where is the tude around here?

2)Domaine la Barroche started up in 03 under Julien Barrot, when I discovered it more or less by accident. Prior to that, Julien's father had sold most of his wines to Guigal, though bottling his own, "Lou Destr d'Antan" (the winepress of yesteryear or something like that), the one rendition of which I had, the 98, was quite good. In 04 he started making three cuvees, a reserve, a Fiance (oddly modern and not to my taste) and the Pure. More information is here:

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www.chateauneuf.dk

3)Yes he's the guy we had over to lunch. And no we didn't have any CdP. We did start with a white Hermitage, then a La Jota 90 and a Dominus 91 (thanks Craig) and finished with a Virginia dessert wine, a Linden Late Harvest Vidal, which he has since asked after by email and which he quite liked. That maybe because Barroche makes one of the only CdP dessert wines I know of and he is interested in the genre.

I think that covers it.
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Let me be the first, then. You are buked and rebuked, proven and reproven. It is clear that you know what the Parker board may be chattering about. I'm beginning to think that you may, in fact, be a Parkerist. Feel my withering scorn.

Meanwhile, I'm off to search for a wine, pure grenache, from old, self-rooted vines.
 
originally posted by Jeff Connell:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
1) This is absolutely a Parker wine. This is the new Pegau of the Parker board. They chatter about it all the time. He gave the 05 maximum pointitude and this one only slightly less. So I should not be shrugged off for posting a positive tasting note about it here. I should be loudly buked and scorned. Where is the tude around here?

2)Domaine la Barroche started up in 03 under Julien Barrot, when I discovered it more or less by accident. Prior to that, Julien's father had sold most of his wines to Guigal, though bottling his own, "Lou Destr d'Antan" (the winepress of yesteryear or something like that), the one rendition of which I had, the 98, was quite good. In 04 he started making three cuvees, a reserve, a Fiance (oddly modern and not to my taste) and the Pure. More information is here:

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www.chateauneuf.dk

3)Yes he's the guy we had over to lunch. And no we didn't have any CdP. We did start with a white Hermitage, then a La Jota 90 and a Dominus 91 (thanks Craig) and finished with a Virginia dessert wine, a Linden Late Harvest Vidal, which he has since asked after by email and which he quite liked. That maybe because Barroche makes one of the only CdP dessert wines I know of and he is interested in the genre.

I think that covers it.
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Let me be the first, then. You are buked and rebuked, proven and reproven. It is clear that you know what the Parker board may be chattering about. I'm beginning to think that you may, in fact, be a Parkerist. Feel my withering scorn.

Meanwhile, I'm off to search for a wine, pure grenache, from old, self-rooted vines.
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Thank you, I feel much better.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
1) This is absolutely a Parker wine. This is the new Pegau of the Parker board.
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But there is a difference. Pegau isn't spoofolated and slick.
 
originally posted by Asher:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
1) This is absolutely a Parker wine. This is the new Pegau of the Parker board.
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But there is a difference. Pegau isn't spoofolated and slick.
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I hate to say this, but define "spoofulated." The wine is fermented in a single concrete cuve, with no more manipulation than remontage, delestage and pigeage. It ages in a single, big oak foudre.

"Slick," being a taste judgment, I,of course, have no response to. I guess I could sic Keith on you about Pegau.

Now the Fiance is another story.
 
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