Singular wines

originally posted by politburo:
Let's all pretendFatboy, Levi, others of similar inclinations.

The Politburo lacks the patient and ancient methodology of the Doghead, who would instruct each of you nitwits at which point you first deviated from basic civility, and how you might improve your ways to be worthy of civilization, rather than stark, solitary, isolated Truth, apparent in particular to each of you.

A few words.

Insult isn't really argument. It's a failure to find something that might amuse the group. Let's see if you can't reach for wit.

Totally personal matters between individuals are typically of limited interest to the collective, and are best adjudicated by personal message, email, voodoo doll, hex, or some other private means. Really, the rest of us don't give a shit.

Being simple Politburo types of simple tastes, we urge you to find a way to imagine that there is such a thing as a public discussion about public issues that can be isolated from your fragile egos, or we would regret to dispense with your services and your (well, some of your) valued contributions to the board. Which is to say, we'll shoot you without remorse. We've had a lot of practice.

Really. Imagine there's no countries. Imagine that you can discuss an idea without obsessing about whose it was and why. Imagine that you can let go of your ego.

Or we shoot you between the eyes.

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A politburo that alludes to John Lennon is my kind of totalitarianism. I hereby subscribe.
 
Wait, did we ever settle the question of singular wines? Did Mollydooker win going away, or was the board as a whole convinced by my pointing out the singular genius of Wincarnis over a hundred-year period?

Just trying to get back to the question at hand.
 
originally posted by Chris Coad:
Wait, did we ever settle the question of singular wines? Did Mollydooker win going away, or was the board as a whole convinced by my pointing out the singular genius of Wincarnis over a hundred-year period?

Just trying to get back to the question at hand.
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This board has never, to my knowledge, settled any question. I don't believe that that is its aim. An active recognition of that fact might alleviate the occasional outburst of pomposity and temper or at least the responses of others to such outbursts.
 
originally posted by Chris Coad:
Politburo aside, it's refreshing to see that in these latter days, after Dressner went and kicked the bucket, Doghead spit the bit, Yaniger turned to Ron Paul, Plotnicki faded into obscurity and the God of Thunder went back to Asgard, that there are fine folks willing to keep the grand old tradition of overly-personalized wineboard bickering alive and well. This thread makes me a little misty, I must confess.

Kudos all around!
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yes, as I close my eyes and imagine, I can find my way through these newfangled pseudonyms and map them to their actual authors. Thanks, Chris, for that wonderful insight. Lets remember that these pseudonyms don't allow us to be more spiteful. Right, Steve P? Thor?
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:

"I'm the only one who knows, I've put in the time, only me" : it's so tired, bro. You are just another wannabe taste dictator.
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ebob is a little on the heavy side. Fatboy meets fatboy?
 
Yes, Levi, but even NPR this morning said the fatdissent was clever and fun.
 
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:

well said. why not just say this the first time?
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because there was once a time when posting decontextualized lists of vinous esoterica would have been denounced as "anti wine" on this bored. this is an extreme view, i acknowledge, and it is doubtless an enlightened politburo that now discourages such behavior. still, i am very sympathetic to where it came from, and very unsympathetic to the decontextualized, consumer artifact view of wine that this thread encourages.

my views on wine were shaped in part by what i learned from some of the inmates who once posted here, in the days before the cadres launched the big push to bring in the "strat's place" crowd. sometimes, when i've drunk a little too much wine, i get nostalgic, and post stupid shit to amuse .sasha, and remind him of the good old days before glasnost.

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Fatboy, I bristled at that bit of Dressneria when he first posted it, because, although many of the sentiments are laudable, it seemed to boil down to "Learn to enjoy wine the exact same way I do, which is the one true path to enlightenment."
 
originally posted by Chris Coad:
Fatboy, I bristled at that bit of Dressneria when he first posted it, because, although many of the sentiments are laudable, it seemed to boil down to "Learn to enjoy wine the exact same way I do, which is the one true path to enlightenment."
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This has always been my reaction as well.

And why does wine have to be about 'learning' anyway?
 
originally posted by Chris Coad:
Fatboy, I bristled at that bit of Dressneria when he first posted it, because, although many of the sentiments are laudable, it seemed to boil down to "Learn to enjoy wine the exact same way I do, which is the one true path to enlightenment."
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It does have a certain "nyah, nyah" quality to it.

The whole screed is anti-intellectual, encouraging us not to trifle about things like community standards, a common glossary, and so on.

I also get a whiff of something dystopian from it: poor Joe, poor us... it is so very, very hard to enjoy wine anymore....
 
originally posted by Chris Coad:
Fatboy, I bristled at that bit of Dressneria when he first posted it, because, although many of the sentiments are laudable, it seemed to boil down to "Learn to enjoy wine the exact same way I do, which is the one true path to enlightenment."
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Me too. I had real disagreement with Joe on this.
 
originally posted by Chris Coad:
Fatboy, I bristled at that bit of Dressneria when he first posted it, because, although many of the sentiments are laudable, it seemed to boil down to "Learn to enjoy wine the exact same way I do, which is the one true path to enlightenment."
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i think it was written to elicit your bristle. i have edited out the offending material.

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originally posted by Jeff Grossman:

It does have a certain "nyah, nyah" quality to it.
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as i said to chris, i have removed the offending material.

thankfully, we are well past the the days of "nyah, nyah" comments on this bored.

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originally posted by fatboy:
originally posted by Chris Coad:
Fatboy, I bristled at that bit of Dressneria when he first posted it, because, although many of the sentiments are laudable, it seemed to boil down to "Learn to enjoy wine the exact same way I do, which is the one true path to enlightenment."
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i think it was written to elicit your bristle. i have edited out the offending material.

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I think it was, too, and the dialogue that followed got a bit... heated, as I recall. But no need to edit, we all said our piece at the time, and there were no hard feelings, just a frank exchange of views. I'll never know 1/100th of what Joe knew about wine, and I'm okay with that. It's not something I choose to dedicate my life to, the way he did. For me it's just a fun hobby and something to yap about on the internet. We don't all have the luxury of being able to run off to the Loire Valley and sit cross-legged in vineyards under the moon chatting with vignerons about truth and beauty and honesty and tasting the soil, it doesn't necessarily mean we've fallen under the sway of the OmniWineTasting-Industrial Complex. There are many paths to enlightenment.
 
originally posted by Chris Coad:
Fatboy, I bristled at that bit of Dressneria when he first posted it, because, although many of the sentiments are laudable, it seemed to boil down to "Learn to enjoy wine the exact same way I do, which is the one true path to enlightenment."
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Yeah. And he was the same way about coffee, food, music, people, cars, circumcision, apartments, pets, children, razors, bicycles, TV shows and everything else on earth.

Quoting Dressner is futile. Only Dressner can quote Dressner.

And despite his current status he seems to be managing a post on the WLDG every now and then as Abe Froeman. It's classic material.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by fatboy:
expressing quality without adding the training wheels of spooge, "extra" and "personality" is the hardest thing a winemaker can ever seek to do. the will and guts and sheer stupidity to make this kind shit is rare -- many winemaking dudes that you meet who really care and would really like to do this sort of thing never will have the confidence in themselves to even try -- and this is why it is that when you stumble across such a wine, it really does represent the most singular expression of terroir and winemaking that you will ever encounter.
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This seems an unfair characterization. How many wine-makers have you met who are shy about their work? How many wine-makers have you met who own a great or interesting property and purposely don't give it their best shot?
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how highly do many people on this bored hold truchot in esteem?

and which was the last "terroir" driven burgundian cellar you walked into where the winemaking differences between the villages, the 1ers and the gcs weren't as clear as the nose on your chubby face?

these were the considerations that led me to agree that truchot was a real outlier. and his wines truly singular. i'm sorry you feel that's unfair. maybe you'd care to elucidate why you do.

as it is, there are not that many growers i can think of where the differences between the lesser and higher cuvees lie almost exclusively in the vineyards rather than the cellar. i hold them in extremely high esteem, and i love their wines, but in almost every case, they are definitely not taking the easy road when it comes to the market.

which means that the answer to your last question is that there are many ways of giving it your best shot. and it takes guts, otherworldliness or real stupidity to stray from the herd on this, much as it does with anything else.

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Can't we all get along together? Fascinating exchange, I think not. Makes me glad to be welcomed everywhere because I'm not bright enough to be opinionated about much of anything. Fatboy my only criticism of your opinions are that you're too pithy. Levi, what do you really think? Coad has multiple meanings no matter what he writes and I have the only Sasha decoding ring west of Chicago.
Invite me me to dinner Joe, I'll put up with anything if you're cooking. (Kane excluded)
 
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