So maybe BJ has a point

Here I go away for a while and come back to see my name all lit up nice like. Schucks.

Cayron has been a huge disappointment for me since about 2000 and I now avoid it like the plague. I have had some seriously bacterial bottles. I am surprised Kermit hasn't drawn the line at some point. It is a shame, because earlier bottles can be truly glorious.

99 was an incredibly kinky wine and was glorious young but somehow the bacterial beasties seized control of my remaining bottles around five years ago.

I have a friend sitting on a number of 95 magnums and this thread has me thinking...

I honestly have had limited experience with Raspail-Ay, but find the discussions of oak deeply disturbing.
 
originally posted by BJ:
Cayron has been a huge disappointment for me since about 2000 and I now avoid it like the plague. I have had some seriously bacterial bottles. I am surprised Kermit hasn't drawn the line at some point.
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He did, many years ago; I don't know the exact last year that Kermit imported Cayron, but the last vintage mentioned in his newsletter was 2003. Some other participants on this board may have more exact information.
 
originally posted by BJ:
Here I go away for a while and come back to see my name all lit up nice like. Shucks.

Cayron has been a huge disappointment for me since about 2000 and I now avoid it like the plague. I have had some seriously bacterial bottles. I am surprised Kermit hasn't drawn the line at some point. It is a shame, because earlier bottles can be truly glorious.

99 was an incredibly kinky wine and was glorious young but somehow the bacterial beasties seized control of my remaining bottles around five years ago.

I have a friend sitting on a number of 95 magnums and this thread has be thinking...

I honestly have had limited experience with Raspail-Ay, but find the discussions of oak deeply disturbing.
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Please stop talking about wine, BJ. This bored is now Adjective Disorder.

Let's pick this up at bar 27, "incredibly kinky." And...
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by BJ:
Cayron has been a huge disappointment for me since about 2000 and I now avoid it like the plague. I have had some seriously bacterial bottles. I am surprised Kermit hasn't drawn the line at some point.
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He did, many years ago; I don't know the exact last year that Kermit imported Cayron, but the last vintage mentioned in his newsletter was 2003. Some other participants on this board may have more exact information.
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Around 2000/2003, Lynch bought with Brunier the famous Domaine des Pallières...

About the 98 of Cayron, it's well-known as a lost vintage like in CdP with the Clos des Papes (97 was pretty nice). About the 2000's vinatge, the 3 girls didn't work as state of the art. I still got in my cellar cases of 01/03/04/05. Cole K. came to Paris next friday and we will cook a hare in civet. The 04 Cayron will be the right choice for the sauce.
Best regards
pierre-alain
 
originally posted by Ken Schramm:

Please stop talking about wine, BJ. This bored is now Adjective Disorder.

Let's pick this up at bar 27, "incredibly kinky." And...
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My feeling is, WDs pick at others' grammar and usage much as apes pick at troop members' fleas: the practical utility, coupled with a demonstration of intimacy, serves to build relationships and strengthen community ties. So these billets doux from Mark and Sharon are reassuring (and usually justified, at least in my case) :)

As great as the OED is, Merriam-Webster is the better tool for everyday, casual intercourse, imho. Unless your everyday intercourse is with an academic community, of course!

COCA is a new resource, thanks Richard; staff contracts there should include a cost of living allowance on principle.

(PS: Speedy recovery, Ken)
 
originally posted by pab:
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by BJ:
Cayron has been a huge disappointment for me since about 2000 and I now avoid it like the plague. I have had some seriously bacterial bottles. I am surprised Kermit hasn't drawn the line at some point.
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He did, many years ago; I don't know the exact last year that Kermit imported Cayron, but the last vintage mentioned in his newsletter was 2003. Some other participants on this board may have more exact information.
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Around 2000/2003, Lynch bought with Brunier the famous Domaine des Pallières...

About the 98 of Cayron, it's well-known as a lost vintage like in CdP with the Clos des Papes (97 was pretty nice). About the 2000's vinatge, the 3 girls didn't work as state of the art. I still got in my cellar cases of 01/03/04/05. Cole K. came to Paris next friday and we will cook a hare in civet. The 04 Cayron will be the right choice for the sauce.
Best regards
pierre-alain
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I've liked some of these years more than others. I don't remember which since the wines have become harder to find in the US since Kermit dropped them. We talked about their variability some time ago. MY preference these days is for Gour de Chaulé, which seems to have survived their generational changeover intact. And I assent to my fallen state by declaring my continued fondness of Domaine la Garrigue Gigondas, even though this seems now to be a Cambie estate. Their special cuvée Vacqueyras is another matter.
 
originally posted by pab:

Around 2000/2003, Lynch bought with Brunier the famous Domaine des Pallières...

Best regards
pierre-alain
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Pallières was purchased in 1998. We've had this conversation before, but you don't seem to want to be bothered with facts.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by pab:

Around 2000/2003, Lynch bought with Brunier the famous Domaine des Pallières...

Best regards
pierre-alain
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Pallières was purchased in 1998. We've had this conversation before, but you don't seem to want to be bothered with facts.
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This response seems to me in excess of the sin. Maybe he just didn't remember? I can never remember the date Louis XVI was beheaded, a more significant date after all, and I'm sure I've heard it more than once. We all have our failings.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by pab:

Around 2000/2003, Lynch bought with Brunier the famous Domaine des Pallières...

Best regards
pierre-alain
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Pallières was purchased in 1998. We've had this conversation before, but you don't seem to want to be bothered with facts.
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This response seems to me in excess of the sin. Maybe he just didn't remember? I can never remember the date Louis XVI was beheaded, a more significant date after all, and I'm sure I've heard it more than once. We all have our failings.
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Jonathan -- 1. It's easy to look up with google, which one might want to do before making an accusatory insinuation, and 2. as I indicate in my response, he's made this charge and been corrected before.

I should imagine that if the date of Louis XVI's death were significant to an argument that you wanted to make, and you had already been corrected once before because you had used the wrong date to make the same argument, you probably would bother to look it up, no?
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by pab:

Around 2000/2003, Lynch bought with Brunier the famous Domaine des Pallières...

Best regards
pierre-alain
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Pallières was purchased in 1998. We've had this conversation before, but you don't seem to want to be bothered with facts.
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This response seems to me in excess of the sin. Maybe he just didn't remember? I can never remember the date Louis XVI was beheaded, a more significant date after all, and I'm sure I've heard it more than once. We all have our failings.
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Jonathan -- 1. It's easy to look up with google, which one might want to do before making an accusatory insinuation, and 2. as I indicate in my response, he's made this charge and been corrected before.
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I missed the accusatory insinuation part. I am all in favor of knuckle rapping for that, but I don't see it. I don't even see what "charge" he's making, just a claim about date of acquisition of les Pallieres. At most, he seems to be suggesting that Lynch's dropping of Cayron coincided with his acquisition of Les Pallieres and may have been caused by it. In that case, he surely is in error (I have Les Pallieres 99 and Cayron 99 both from Lynch in my cellar). But error still isn't accusation or insinuation.
 
The insinuation is that Lynch made a decision on Gigondas solely to increase his exports of Pallières and otherwise was indifferent to the quality issues at Cayron.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
The insinuation is that Lynch made a decision on Gigondas solely to increase his exports of Pallières and otherwise was indifferent to the quality issues at Cayron.
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And you base this reading of his remark on what? I apologize if there was a past exchange that made this clear that I'm not aware of, but the remark you respond to here doesn't seem to say anything of the sort.
 
Is pab in the business? If not, the implication might not be apparent to him. Likewise, the date might not be important enough to him to have internalized your previous correction. Just sayin' ...
 
Pierre-Alain is a frequent visitor to CdP, hangs around with winemakers there and is quite knowledgeable. He also has a lot of views about what goes on there. He is quite capable of having a theory about Lynch on the order of what Claude is inferring (except to the extent that I don't know that he attends to or cares much about American importers; I'm more likely to have a theory of that kind, whether with better evidence, I won't say). I don't see anything like such a claim being made here, though.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
The insinuation is that Lynch made a decision on Gigondas solely to increase his exports of Pallières and otherwise was indifferent to the quality issues at Cayron.
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And you base this reading of his remark on what? I apologize if there was a past exchange that made this clear that I'm not aware of, but the remark you respond to here doesn't seem to say anything of the sort.
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As I indicated in my original post that sparked this side-thread, "we have had this discussion before." This is not the first time he has made this charge on the internet, and IIRC, on this board.

Kermit, like all of us, is no saint, but he deserves to be criticized only for legitimate failings, not supposed ones.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:

Kermit, like all of us, is no saint, but he deserves to be criticized only for legitimate failings, not supposed ones.
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Where do you stand on the music?
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I can never remember the date Louis XVI was beheaded, a more significant date after all, and I'm sure I've heard it more than once. We all have our failings.
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You're tempting me there!

Did you have a chance to try any recent Pallières?
 
originally posted by Cliff:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I can never remember the date Louis XVI was beheaded, a more significant date after all, and I'm sure I've heard it more than once. We all have our failings.
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You're tempting me there!

Did you have a chance to try any recent Pallières?
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I think they had the 08s at the Caveau in Gigondas this summer. I'm vague on which of their designations. And here's the reason. The wine was nice enough. Even though they were special cuvees, I preferred the original vintages of 99 and 00, which I have in my cellar here in DC and which have aged very nicely. On the other hand, for 08s, the one I tasted was clearly successful and maybe will develop into something better. But the tariff is as I remember quite high, high enough to reduce my interest in the wine.
 
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