notes from last night

originally posted by MLipton:

My reading was that the Monkey was using it as an exemplar of your thesis. Or maybe not.

Mark Lipton
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i think there is maybe a deeper point: that many a wine that has a natural cycle of maturation will taste like drano at time t=n, and this is not a sign of bad quality.

indeed, one could go further, and argue that it is trying to avoid having a natural cycle of maturation, and avoid having a wine ever taste anything but acceptable, that has led to the hegemony that all those god-fucking-awful stepford-wives-wines enjoy when it comes to the popular perception of quality.

then add into that mix the notion that if any half-way serious wine's eternal quality, given its showing at time t=n, has been conclusively decided and denounced from the pulpit by yaniger and the snotty monkey, yet has revealed other virtues at t=n+y, then the only conclusion one can draw is, yes, as ever, there is signal, and there is noise... and then there is more noise.

makes me think i wish i could get me more.

that, or else wtf?

ymmv.

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indeed, at the risk of boring myself, why don't we discuss the similarities and differences between the chubby lawyer n00b dissing texier on the bejerkuz bored and yaniger / le singe dissing overnoy.

"yaniger was at least sort of funny in his overblown way. that's it."

there. that's my contribution.

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originally posted by Marc D:
No brett in the 02 Overnoy Poulsard?
Mine have all had a little. Not sweaty shepherdess thong levels, but some.

And Overnoy makes a Trousseau? Wow, I would love to try that some time.

What happened to Houillon?

The guy at the store was telling me how great the Gahier Grand Vergers was, then told me they were sold out. Arrgh.

I like Servin. Les Pargues is the one I'm familiar with. Good Chablis at a solid price.

You figure out your Bellingham dates yet? The rain festival has officially started.
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Marc -

Heard today that I have to be out in BLI for meetings at your hospital on 11/15, but was going to stick around that night..fly home Friday. Interested in drinking some stuff?
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by Matt Latuchie:
notes from last night

2010 Marc Plouzeau Ante Phylloxera - this is my favorite vintage of this cuvee to date. sappy red fruit, great mineral and tobacco notes. hard to put down.
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Is this available somewhere in the US? wine-searcher isn't showing anything. Earlier recent vintages have been impressive.
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there is plenty of it at the Weygandt shop - i'd shoot them an email.
 
originally posted by richard slicker: similarities and differences between the chubby lawyer n00b dissing texier on the bejerkuz bored and yaniger / le singe dissing overnoy. "yaniger was at least sort of funny in his overblown way. that's it."
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Richard, Link, please, to the Yaniger posting that you refer to?!?

Thanks!

. . . . . . Pete
 
Salil, Thanks, but I thought surely he must be referring to a more recent posting that one in 2000...which, of course, would be interesting as Stuart has not (to my knowledge, at least) been posting publicly recently.

I did receive an email from him not long ago, but with no reference to the subject wine, of course.

. . . . . Pete
 
originally posted by richard slicker:
indeed, at the risk of boring myself, why don't we discuss the similarities and differences between the chubby lawyer n00b dissing texier on the bejerkuz bored and yaniger / le singe dissing overnoy.

"yaniger was at least sort of funny in his overblown way. that's it."

there. that's my contribution.

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Yangier blamed dressner not the vinter. It was obvious humor.

Re your previous post, I was aware of differences in brett tolerance, etc but now you suggest signal/noise ratios preferences are paramount?
 
Count your blessings

Unlike you, dear reader, I am currently residing in a Holiday Inn located in Roseville, Michigan. I'm ostensibly here to sell wine, but some of my loved ones suspect foul play.

I dined last night with an area retailer who tried to impress me with a deeply flawed bottle of 98 Jaboulet La Chapelle. I matched the wine with a 93 Overnoy Poulsard, a wine which astonished everyone at the table. The retailer wants a state-wide exclusive.

I ask you, dear readers, what should I do?

Have to run. The Holiday Inn is about to run out of defrosted muffins. A complementary continental breakfast is part of the deal here. You also get free copy of USA Today!

From The Wine Importer
 
originally posted by Matt Latuchie:
originally posted by Marc D:
No brett in the 02 Overnoy Poulsard?
Mine have all had a little. Not sweaty shepherdess thong levels, but some.

And Overnoy makes a Trousseau? Wow, I would love to try that some time.

What happened to Houillon?

The guy at the store was telling me how great the Gahier Grand Vergers was, then told me they were sold out. Arrgh.

I like Servin. Les Pargues is the one I'm familiar with. Good Chablis at a solid price.

You figure out your Bellingham dates yet? The rain festival has officially started.
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Marc -

Heard today that I have to be out in BLI for meetings at your hospital on 11/15, but was going to stick around that night..fly home Friday. Interested in drinking some stuff?
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Yes, that sounds good.
I'm off 11/15.
What time will you be free from work?

Brian C?
 
rsl,

really, there are irreversibly fucked up wines. I think of warmish bottles of '81 Beaucastel in the US, for instance. They are never coming back. Brett has eaten all the esters, and crapped all over the wine. Similarly, Stuart's bottle of poulsard had a bacterial or brett bloom and a bunch of the aromatics were gone for good. Can't unring the bell, can't scroll back time. I'm not sure why that has to be, but Jayson Cohen can explain.

Anyhow, it depends what's going on. A crazy 1989 ultra-reactionary Chinon tasted tonight had finally developed a bit of very pleasant fruit to go with the dirt after 20 years, but it never had a problem-from-which-there-is-no-return, it was just made in an utterly uncommercial style. Frankly, I wouldn't make wine that way myself. But it's coming into its own. (Breze still has better terroir.)

Sometimes time's arrow points only one way. Other times, not so much. Sometimes it is easy to tell which is which, and sometimes it is less clear. I remember my first 5 glasses of young Cour-Cheverny, for instance. Not obvious how that was getting to a happy ending, and yet it does, for the good ones.

So one has to get to a specific etiology, not just a "patient=sick" or "patient=well" to have a view on the prognosis.

J
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by VLM:

1993 Overnoy.
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I remember the wine, but am not sure what you mean.
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Joe, Joe, Joe...

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www.wineloverspage.com

Mark Lipton
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Oh, sure, I remember that, too.

But I still don't get it. Maybe Chris can help.
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I got nothing. I never understood that note. Not the wine I knew.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:

really, there are irreversibly fucked up wines. I think of warmish bottles of '81 Beaucastel in the US, for instance. They are never coming back. Brett has eaten all the esters, and crapped all over the wine. Similarly, Stuart's bottle of poulsard had a bacterial or brett bloom and a bunch of the aromatics were gone for good. Can't unring the bell, can't scroll back time. I'm not sure why that has to be, but Jayson Cohen can explain.
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yeah, but if that warmish bottle was of a good wine, and if it had been shipped carefully before being tossed in among the dirty laundry in some simian's overnight bag, where it was left to rot in the sun for a few weeks prior to being shlepped across the country and chugged down (or not, in this case) at a swill fest, i'd hope someone might pipe up and query any reports to the effect that the wine was flawed and the importer the schnook incarnation of the joker that emanated from said swill fest. y'know, in much the same way that people query chubby n00bs who pop up on teh interwebz to say, "x's wines suck. i know. i tasted one, and i was like only 87 points on it."

or else maybe the politburo could add a list of people approved for douchebag bullying to the faq?

r.slicker
 
originally posted by Chris Coad:
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by VLM:

1993 Overnoy.
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I remember the wine, but am not sure what you mean.
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Joe, Joe, Joe...

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www.wineloverspage.com

Mark Lipton
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Oh, sure, I remember that, too.

But I still don't get it. Maybe Chris can help.
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I got nothing. I never understood that note. Not the wine I knew.
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I've been told first-hand by others who were there to taste that bottle that the wine was way worse than Yaniger's description.

Shit (and thongs) happen.
 
originally posted by Tom Glasgow:
Count your blessings

Unlike you, dear reader, I am currently residing in a Holiday Inn located in Roseville, Michigan. I'm ostensibly here to sell wine, but some of my loved ones suspect foul play.

I dined last night with an area retailer who tried to impress me with a deeply flawed bottle of 98 Jaboulet La Chapelle. I matched the wine with a 93 Overnoy Poulsard, a wine which astonished everyone at the table. The retailer wants a state-wide exclusive.

I ask you, dear readers, what should I do?

Have to run. The Holiday Inn is about to run out of defrosted muffins. A complementary continental breakfast is part of the deal here. You also get free copy of USA Today!

From The Wine Importer
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Tom: Overnoy's obviously wasted there; make a deal in central Virginia, instead, with the Virginia Wine Warehouse or Williams Corner Wines in Charlottesville. Small, but appreciative audience.

BTW, the frozen muffins at Best Western are 1er cru to HI's villages.

Cheers.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
originally posted by Tom Glasgow:
Count your blessings

Unlike you, dear reader, I am currently residing in a Holiday Inn located in Roseville, Michigan. I'm ostensibly here to sell wine, but some of my loved ones suspect foul play.

I dined last night with an area retailer who tried to impress me with a deeply flawed bottle of 98 Jaboulet La Chapelle. I matched the wine with a 93 Overnoy Poulsard, a wine which astonished everyone at the table. The retailer wants a state-wide exclusive.

I ask you, dear readers, what should I do?

Have to run. The Holiday Inn is about to run out of defrosted muffins. A complementary continental breakfast is part of the deal here. You also get free copy of USA Today!

From The Wine Importer
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Tom: Overnoy's obviously wasted there; make a deal in central Virginia, instead, with the Virginia Wine Warehouse or Williams Corner Wines in Charlottesville. Small, but appreciative audience.

BTW, the frozen muffins at Best Western are 1er cru to HI's villages.

Cheers.
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Sorry about my unclear quoting of Joe D from his website, I'm not capable of such material.
It backs up Chris and Joe's observations about the '93 Overnoy.
 
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