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originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by richard slicker:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

This is alas true with regard to the phrases "could care less" and "couldn't care less." It's probably true that I don't get out enough (or I do get out enough), but I wasn't aware that the semantic loss had extended to "less trivial" and "more trivial." Should it ever extend "more pleasurable" and "less pleasurable" (or not extend to that) please keep me out of the loop--or in the loop, as the case may be.
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semi seriously: i don't think you should fear for "more pleasurable" and "less pleasurable." i think that the problem, as with "couldn't care less," is that trivial is semantically negative (in that more trivial = more less important), and that, cognitively, english speakers struggle with negation (hence, i think, the "too trivial to ignore" canard).

i have sometimes wondered whether speakers of languages that have agreement for negations (ne... pas) do a better job. maybe i'll see if can't get someone to look into it one day.

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Seriously, an interesting theory. I don't think it justifies the usage, but it does explain it.

On the other hand, to quote Mortimer Adler, in response to the claim that there is no language in which a triple positive forms a negative: "Yeah, yeah, yeah."
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I thought that was Sidney Morgenbesser. Or did Adler build on Morgenbesser's work?

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originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
originally posted by Tom Glasgow:
In PA, the governor seeks to privatize liquor and wine sales. Hopefully this will not lead to a worse selection.
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really? i havent been following this issue lately but i thought the privatization of alcohol sales in PA was never going to happen.
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The governor has a new proposal. I would guess it has to clear the legislature, especially now that his lottery plan was shot down by the AG. The governor doesn't seem like a very good politician and the odds of it happening are probably longer than I think.
 
originally posted by Tom Glasgow:
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
originally posted by Tom Glasgow:
In PA, the governor seeks to privatize liquor and wine sales. Hopefully this will not lead to a worse selection.
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really? i havent been following this issue lately but i thought the privatization of alcohol sales in PA was never going to happen.
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The governor has a new proposal. I would guess it has to clear the legislature, especially now that his lottery plan was shot down by the AG. The governor doesn't seem like a very good politician and the odds of it happening are probably longer than I think.
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He got a fair amount of criticism for his proposal that the proceeds of the sale be distributed in a four-year, not-to-be-repeated block grant program for schools.

My recollection is that the number of retail licenses under Corbett's proposal would be roughly double the current number of state stores. I would guess that the selection out here in the hinterlands would not improve, and might get worse if big chain retailers buy up most of the licenses.
 
originally posted by Steve Guattery:
originally posted by Tom Glasgow:
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
originally posted by Tom Glasgow:
In PA, the governor seeks to privatize liquor and wine sales. Hopefully this will not lead to a worse selection.
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really? i havent been following this issue lately but i thought the privatization of alcohol sales in PA was never going to happen.
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The governor has a new proposal. I would guess it has to clear the legislature, especially now that his lottery plan was shot down by the AG. The governor doesn't seem like a very good politician and the odds of it happening are probably longer than I think.
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He got a fair amount of criticism for his proposal that the proceeds of the sale be distributed in a four-year, not-to-be-repeated block grant program for schools.

My recollection is that the number of retail licenses under Corbett's proposal would be roughly double the current number of state stores. I would guess that the selection out here in the hinterlands would not improve, and might get worse if big chain retailers buy up most of the licenses.
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At least restaurants would not have to buy at retail prices.which is a joke.
 
The biggest change would be for restaurants. There would probably even be delivery. There's a bar in my office building's lobby and I'm always surprised when they carry in the booze.

Beer sold by the case is another inconvenience for consumers.
 
I'm in favor of privatization, but the devil is in the details.

As for beer sales, the expansion of deli licenses to supermarkets has made buying smaller-than-case quantities of beer easier, though having to buy it at separate registers is a pain. Wegmans in Williamsport has a pretty reasonable selection, too.
 
originally posted by Steve Guattery:
I'm in favor of privatization, but the devil is in the details.

As for beer sales, the expansion of deli licenses to supermarkets has made buying smaller-than-case quantities of beer easier, though having to buy it at separate registers is a pain. Wegmans in Williamsport has a pretty reasonable selection, too.
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Wegmans seems to be favored in PA, unlike in Cherry Hill, NJ where the Township passed zoning regulations to delay Wegmans offering booze. Wegmans built a new building and stocked it with what might be the worst wine selection in Southern NJ.
 
originally posted by Tom Glasgow:
Wegmans seems to be favored in PA, unlike in Cherry Hill, NJ where the Township passed zoning regulations to delay Wegmans offering booze. Wegmans built a new building and stocked it with what might be the worst wine selection in Southern NJ.
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Huh. The Wegman family bought Century Liquor and Wine in Rochester as part of their move into wine sales. Sorry to hear that they did so poorly in New Jersey.
 
Tangentially, Wegmans seems to have bought up a lot of old Camus inventory, giving rise to the odd experience of walking by shelves holding magnums of Chambertin, Charms-C, Mazi-C, etc., while out grocery shopping.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Tangentially, Wegmans seems to have bought up a lot of old Camus inventory, giving rise to the odd experience of walking by shelves holding magnums of Chambertin, Charms-C, Mazi-C, etc., while out grocery shopping.
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That may have come from Century's inventory. I've seen a lot of Camus wines there.
 
originally posted by Tom Glasgow:
New bill passes commitee on privatization of the PLCB.
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Did I read correctly that the state will still dictate what wines the private stores can carry? That can't be right, can it?
 
originally posted by Kay Bixler:
originally posted by Tom Glasgow:
New bill passes commitee on privatization of the PLCB.
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Did I read correctly that the state will still dictate what wines the private stores can carry? That can't be right, can it?
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To some extent, many states do. In NC, the label must be registered with the state in order to be legally sold at retail.

That's a fairly mild form of control, but control nonetheless.
 
originally posted by Kay Bixler:
originally posted by Tom Glasgow:
New bill passes commitee on privatization of the PLCB.
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Did I read correctly that the state will still dictate what wines the private stores can carry? That can't be right, can it?
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I haven't seen that in the coverage I've read. Do you have a URL?
 
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