tiger lily overload: binner pinot noir, 2004

originally posted by Kay Bixler:
Could be a few too many ladybugs in the fermentation.
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don't those contribute weird pyrazines? this wine definitely did not smell like beans or peppers or whatever. distinctly floral.
 
Hm. I might have to get there. I like a lot of the jenny and francois wines, did not realize that was where they were going in MA. Seems an odd place, but I'm just a consumer.
 
originally posted by vaughn tan:
apologies -- i wrote tigerlilies and then later, after much desultory interweb time-wasting, realised that the ones i'm thinking about are probably a specific and different variety. oriental for sure, probably stargazer as you say.
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Useless noob.
 
originally posted by vaughn tan:
originally posted by Kay Bixler:
Could be a few too many ladybugs in the fermentation.
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don't those contribute weird pyrazines? this wine definitely did not smell like beans or peppers or whatever. distinctly floral.
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Cilantro-like is the common description.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
AugéThis is quite interesting because I had a similar experience with a few bottles of Binner back in 2003. The wines were all white, although I forget the specifics, one was a TPG, and one may have been a Muscat. And the whole experience was the reason I never became a regular at Caves Augé.

I had bought them all from Augé and one night I opened a bottle to find a really strange smell (I can't say if it was exactly tiger lilies, but it sounds about right). I waited a while and nothing changed, so I opened another bottle because I needed wine for the evening. Same thing, so I opened yet another bottle because I still needed wine for the evening. At this point I was really perplexed because I had three different wines open, but all with similar pungent funky smells. I knew they weren't corked, but had no explanation.

So I drank something else and the next morning I took the bottles of Binner into Augé, looking for an explanation. I was not demanding my money back, or blaming them, but something clearly was wrong and I figured they might have some insight.

However, when we opened the bottles and took a taste, the funky pungency was gone and the bottles were all quite nice, much like your experience. I was embarassed, but more than happy to take them home and enjoy them.

But the folks at Augé seemed to take it really personally and began berating me for not understanding the wines. I suppose given the way they showed that morning you might think I wasn't the savviest taster for complaining, but surely these folks could understand that wines change over night.

I went back into Augé a few times after that, but each time they would bark out that I should only be offered 'classic' wines and that I wouldn't understand anything else. And this was not in a joking manner. So, I ceased shopping in the store, as they don't exactly have the market cornered on much in Paris. I also never pursued Binner very much. But the same could be said for Alsace in general.

So, all that to say, thanks for your post!
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i am also reminded now that i had a similar experience with le canon primeur from hirotake ooka -- strange and unpleasantly powerful floral aroma on opening, gradually fading over a few days. turns out, the wine bottega sold me rose of muscat trollinger, not syrah. but the opening scent was very similar to this binner pinot. very interesting.

and speaking of the binner pinot: on day 3 it is now really very nice. lots of cherry, a perception of sweetness that sticks around for a while. i would even hazard to call it clean. the colour makes it seem old but this tastes fresh. i have been noticing that more and more of the wines i am drinking profit from a very long, fairly cold airing.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
The ladybugs are still there the next day, no?
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Taken during Coulée de Serrant harvest, may require some magnification to show bucketfulsomeness of critters.
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Can't really tell.

But I meant that the flavors are still in the wine a day after opening? 2004 Burgs, for instance?
 
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