TN: Cellar (May 4, 2013)

[Jeff Grossman]

Just a couple of us in the cellar last week:

I eagerly reach for Chamonard 1998 Morgon "Clos de Lys" which is beautiful... plenty of secondary flavor elements, acidity and tannins both firm but not grabby. You could serve this with almost anything.

The second bottle is Bruno Clair 2009 Marsannay "Les Longeroies" which is quite open and friendly, as is the third bottle, Belland 2005 Santenay-Gravieres 1er. Neither one is offering all the charm they have in store but they are flirty, minerally, and not overly frooty.

At home, another day, Ch. Musar 1991 Rouge is still going strong: all red fruit, medium-weight, and just as Dujac can make new oak so tasty, Serge Hochar can make VA an uplifting experience. It speaks volumes that my partner tasted the wine from my glass, then got up to get one for himself.

 

[Suzanne Camhi]

we had a nice chat with Jim that day
good to hear about the 98 Chamonard Morgon picked up a few recently

 

[SFJoe]

I was a bit shocked by the open Burgs.

 

[Jeff Grossman]

originally posted by Suzanne Camhi:
we had a nice chat with Jim that day

Yes, so I heard! Nice for neighbors to be neighborly.

 

[Ian Fitzsimmons]

originally posted by SFJoe:
I was a bit shocked by the open Burgs.

Shocked because these vintages had been opened so young; shocked because the wines, having been opened, were open and drinking nicely; shocked because they so wildly exceeded/fell short of your expectations?

 

[Unknown]

05s from deeper soils in the cote de beaune can be lovely these days

 

[SFJoe]

originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:

originally posted by SFJoe:
I was a bit shocked by the open Burgs.

Shocked because these vintages had been opened so young;

Mostly.

 

[Jeff Grossman]

originally posted by SFJoe:

originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:

originally posted by SFJoe:
I was a bit shocked by the open Burgs.

Shocked because these vintages had been opened so young;

Mostly.

Gotta drink something!

 

[John McIlwain]

originally posted by Jeff Grossman:

originally posted by SFJoe:

originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:

originally posted by SFJoe:
I was a bit shocked by the open Burgs.

Shocked because these vintages had been opened so young;

Mostly.

Gotta drink something!

Maybe. But not necessarily '05s.

 

[Rob Lateiner]

originally posted by John McIlwain:

originally posted by Jeff Grossman:

originally posted by SFJoe:

originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:

originally posted by SFJoe:
I was a bit shocked by the open Burgs.

Shocked because these vintages had been opened so young;

Mostly.

Gotta drink something!

Maybe. But not necessarily '05s.

Right. Unless you choose to open an '05 and it's drinking great in which case your responses, John and Ian, are unnecessary and continues the tradition of wine disorder self-indulgent ego masturbation. He had the wines, they were good and open (if you don't get it don't bother), take note, shut up and move on. Unless, you actually have something of value to say. And by the way the wines being open makes a lot of sense with regard to the vintages, Marsannay being the furthest North and Santenay being the furthest south of the cote d'or. A recent '09 Vaudenelles from Clair was earthy, complex and gorgeous on day 2.

 

[Ian Fitzsimmons]

originally posted by Rob Lateiner:

originally posted by John McIlwain:

originally posted by Jeff Grossman:

originally posted by SFJoe:

originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:

originally posted by SFJoe:
I was a bit shocked by the open Burgs.

Shocked because these vintages had been opened so young;

Mostly.

Gotta drink something!

Maybe. But not necessarily '05s.

Right. Unless you choose to open an '05 and it's drinking great in which case your responses, John and Ian, are unnecessary and continues the tradition of wine disorder self-indulgent ego masturbation. He had the wines, they were good and open (if you don't get it don't bother), take note, shut up and move on. Unless, you actually have something of value to say. And by the way the wines being open makes a lot of sense with regard to the vintages, Marsannay being the furthest North and Santenay being the furthest south of the cote d'or. A recent '09 Vaudenelles from Clair was earthy, complex and gorgeous on day 2.

Flattered to be named in this little spasm of release, Rob, cheers. Though as well-turned vitriol goes, it falls short of prevailing standards. Don't you feel that the phrase 'self-indulgent' is the tiniest bit ironic here?

 

[John McIlwain]

originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:

originally posted by Rob Lateiner:

originally posted by John McIlwain:

originally posted by Jeff Grossman:

originally posted by SFJoe:

originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:

originally posted by SFJoe:
I was a bit shocked by the open Burgs.

Shocked because these vintages had been opened so young;

Mostly.

Gotta drink something!

Maybe. But not necessarily '05s.

Right. Unless you choose to open an '05 and it's drinking great in which case your responses, John and Ian, are unnecessary and continues the tradition of wine disorder self-indulgent ego masturbation. He had the wines, they were good and open (if you don't get it don't bother), take note, shut up and move on. Unless, you actually have something of value to say. And by the way the wines being open makes a lot of sense with regard to the vintages, Marsannay being the furthest North and Santenay being the furthest south of the cote d'or. A recent '09 Vaudenelles from Clair was earthy, complex and gorgeous on day 2.

Flattered to be named in this little spasm of release, Rob, cheers. Though as well-turned vitriol goes, it falls short of prevailing standards. Don't you feel that the phrase 'self-indulgent' is the tiniest bit ironic here?

Self-indulgent ego masturbation? I prefer auto-egotism.

 

[Sharon Bowman]

originally posted by Rob Lateiner:
on day 2.

Shoots self in foot at end.

 

[Jonathan Loesberg]

Rob's post is a masterful demonstration of what is meant by the term "a self-consuming artifact." One should offer it the respect it deserves.

 

[Rob Lateiner]

Keep stroking disorderlies.

 

[Rob Lateiner]

"...on the Texier, 99, ripeness wasn't the problem. It's just that the wine tasted austere. I assume that was the style Texier wanted. I don't think it works much better for CdP then oak and overripeness does though."

Loesberg, drink up the oak and overripeness.

 

[Jonathan Loesberg]

originally posted by Rob Lateiner:
"...on the Texier, 99, ripeness wasn't the problem. It's just that the wine tasted austere. I assume that was the style Texier wanted. I don't think it works much better for CdP then oak and overripeness does though."

Loesberg, drink up the oak and overripeness.

So we now add research into old threads and resourceful interpretation. I think you're wasting your talents.

 

[Bill Lundstrom]

originally posted by Rob Lateiner:
"...on the Texier, 99, ripeness wasn't the problem. It's just that the wine tasted austere. I assume that was the style Texier wanted. I don't think it works much better for CdP then oak and overripeness does though."

Loesberg, drink up the oak and overripeness.

Dude, what are you so angry about? Seriously, this is a wine forum. About fermented grape juice.
No one here is trying to solve the situation in the middle east or find the cure for cancer.

Lighten up. Life's too short.

 

[Rob Lateiner]

Just trying to keep it fresh. Not too overripe, ya know.

 

[Sharon Bowman]

Zzz