loire vintages pre-1989

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Is no one going to throw a hissy fit about using varietal for variety? Or is it just for the purposes of variety?
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Rather than fit my hissy, I asked VT to explain hisself. He said "varietal" and he may have meant "varietal"; he has since confirmed that he did actually mean "varietal". Our careful approach has been vindicated. That he has split hairs a funny way is out of band in this context.

This bored is losing all its standards.
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A non-sequitur, though true.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Old-timers are still scarred, Vaughn, by the past variety-varietal skirmishing - just ignore them. The underlying issue is so sterile that only a dull mind would fail to be bored by it.
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It is the minuteness of the issue that makes the combat so refreshing. Where is your joie de vivre, Ian?
 
originally posted by vaughn tan:
muscadet happens to be 100% melon. i assume, since yixin mentioned specifically wines from melon, that it was an approach for the varietal not the appellation. as far as i understand, a varietal is a wine made from just one variety. jeez: give a guy a break.
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This statement is inconsistent with your claim of n00bness. Make up your mind: are you an ignorant airhead or a contumacious dowager?
 
Big fan of chevalerie in the 90s in general, but don't know their 95s, nor am I especially well-versed in the vintage for cab franc. It would seem, based on isolated examples which have popped up in NYC, that they have been ready for a while, particularly if compared to the 96s?? And one would expect Galichets to be more accessible in the first place.
93 bussardieres has made it into this market on a couple of occasions, and I did like it, but it had to be approached with a frame of mind not too dissimilar from what was required by 93 red burgundy for years (especially if you weren't familiar with a specific wine from barrel or on release), which is to say that its acidity and relative lightness, while leaving no doubt about the wine's ultimate balance, left open questions about how much longer it needed and just how endowed or complex it would ultimately become.
 
originally posted by fatboy:
originally posted by SFJoe:

In this case, just one guy.
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surely my girth makes up for my lack of numbers.

fb.
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you can't be a lurker and a poster at the same time. You will miss out on your French pension this way.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by vaughn tan:
muscadet happens to be 100% melon. i assume, since yixin mentioned specifically wines from melon, that it was an approach for the varietal not the appellation. as far as i understand, a varietal is a wine made from just one variety. jeez: give a guy a break. he just spent 7 hours walking around frieze london trying to find something interesting and there wasn't much, let me tell you.
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Is that what you really meant? In that case, I take back the grammatical complaint and lodge a logical one? Why would you think that some other monocepage wine from a different area--say a 100% Viognier from CA--might also react that way?
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it's a good question. what i was wondering was if it was the varietal nature of the wine that made it refreshable with the method yixin suggested, or if it was something else. (sounds like it is something else, cell-breakdown and savouriness related...?)
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by vaughn tan:
muscadet happens to be 100% melon. i assume, since yixin mentioned specifically wines from melon, that it was an approach for the varietal not the appellation. as far as i understand, a varietal is a wine made from just one variety. jeez: give a guy a break.
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This statement is inconsistent with your claim of n00bness. Make up your mind: are you an ignorant airhead or a contumacious dowager?
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i haven't drunk enough wine in context to be anything but a n00b, but i'm trying (to drink more wine, that is). my natural inclination is to be grouchy and resistant to authority. contumacious is a great word.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
It is the minuteness of the issue that makes the combat so refreshing. Where is your joie de vive, Ian?
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Joie de vivre.
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I had it in there originally and then took it out. Should have trusted my instincts. I'll go fix.
 
originally posted by vaughn tan:
originally posted by SFJoe:
Separately, a lurker has written me to endorse Green Man and French Horn, but to lament the condition of many of their older Loire wines.
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did he give specifics?
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Vaughn, I didn't have time to see if you were free, and work company intruded, but I did get to GMFH last night. 2008 Mosse "Initials BB" was more advanced than I expected. I don't know whether to call it premox or storage, but it wasn't the thrill I'd hoped for.

Didn't get anything older than that. The younger wines were fine. Food was good.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:

Vaughn, I didn't have time to see if you were free, and work company intruded, but I did get to GMFH last night. 2008 Mosse "Initials BB" was more advanced than I expected. I don't know whether to call it premox or storage, but it wasn't the thrill I'd hoped for.
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re: the mosse—good to know; i've thought about getting that. been back a few times in the last couple weeks and the pattern seems to be: old, just-out-from-the-cellar stuff seems reliably stored. the not-just-released stuff seems dicier. maybe they had a period of poor storage?

sorry to hear i missed you. would have been nice to meet. next time! (though we should go to RSJ instead)
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
I may have to have a Yixin-themed dinner one day. Graduated cylinders and an assortment of umami-rich wines of various ages.
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I brought a Carlisle Zin to a dinner with Yixin some years ago (it was aimed at someone named Thor of whom I have a dim memory) - the effect on his poker face was memorable.
 
originally posted by Dan McQ:
originally posted by SFJoe:
I may have to have a Yixin-themed dinner one day. Graduated cylinders and an assortment of umami-rich wines of various ages.
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I brought a Carlisle Zin to a dinner with Yixin some years ago (it was aimed at someone named Thor of whom I have a dim memory) - the effect on his poker face was memorable.
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but what to mix with it?
 
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