Short-term agers

originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
I'd really love to find some decent AOC Chablis to drink at a couple years.
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have you considered identifying premox bottles of 1er and grand cru from famous chablis producers? can be a nice drink 18 months in
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Incisive, and costly, but it takes too long to get good prem-ox on.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Ben Hunting:
Would this also apply to Dolcetto? Do others short-age Montsecondo Chianti Classico?
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Yes and yes.
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I think basic Chianti from the better estates can age for 5-7 years nicely, but I've never had a Dolcetto that was improved by aging, as opposed to still being drinkable. I drink a ton of Dolcetto, too. For my taste even the massive icons like Vajra's Coste & Fossati don't improve with age.
 
originally posted by slaton:

I've been looking for a cheap German or Austrian red in this category - would love to have a cheap e.g. 1L zweigelt that is consistently delicious and becomes more something interesting in the 1-3 year term if you don't drink it all. There's something about that alpine character.
Limited success, although a recent bottle of Knauss trollinger was very encouraging.
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No recommendations in the 1L category but I think you'd like the red wines from Claus Preisinger (Zweigelt & Blaufränkisch( and Johannishof Reinisch (St Laurent & Pinot Noir) that reside in that price territory. They've got that Austrian high note (technically Panonnian but I could see how it'd be mistaken for Alpine) and they evolve nicely over a few years (but taste fine on release). Preisinger's wines are also biodynamic, as are those from most of the cool kids in the Burgenland.

-Eden (lately liking the wineriesof the Premium Estates of Austria group and the lineup imported by Circo Vino)
 
originally posted by Eden Mylunsch:
Preisinger's wines are also biodynamic, as are those from most of the cool kids in the Burgenland.
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on that note, i am sorry i never see pinot noir from michlits anymore
 
Thank you for the additional comments. I've made some purchases (2010 Brovia Valmaggione, 2009 Barral Faugères, 2011 Bouland Delys) and also splashed out on some bottles of 2006 Bea Rosso de Veo in the hope it's amenable to a little aging. Will be sure to apply some more of your advice (Dupasquier etc) in the future.
 
In the bargain wine department I have had great success aging Francois Pinon's Vouvray Cuvée Tradition (might be called something else now), Pierre Savoye's Beaujolais Morgon VV and Luneau Papin's Muscadet Clos des Allies.
 
originally posted by Kay Bixler:
In the bargain wine department I have had great success aging Francois Pinon's Vouvray Cuvée Tradition (might be called something else now), ...
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Trois Argiles, isn't it?

Anyway I can't recommend aging it more than 42 years as the '59 we had back in 2001 seemed to be at peak.
 
originally posted by Kay Bixler:
In the bargain wine department I have had great success aging Francois Pinon's Vouvray Cuvée Tradition (might be called something else now), Pierre Savoye's Beaujolais Morgon VV and Luneau Papin's Muscadet Clos des Allies.
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Clos des Allées - hooray.
 
originally posted by Ben Hunting:


...2011 Rousset Picaudières and hopefully it will do well in the short term.
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I'd be interested on what you experience with this one. I know our friend BJ would recommend holding it longer then 2-3 years.
 
Speaking of which, while I've recently been lamenting what a foolish thing it seems to be to have a bunch of wine, last night's bottle of 2005 Baudry Grézeaux reminded me why acquiring them does make sense. While the wine was still a bit structured, it was better than a 2011 or 2010 would be last night. Really beautiful and full of Grézeaux-ness. It was a bit of a question at the time whether the intensity of 2005 would overwhelm the particulars of the terroir. At this point, the answer, to my mind, is no. This is drinking well now, but should smooth out with a few more years in the cellar.
 
originally posted by VLM:
Speaking of which, while I've recently been lamenting what a foolish thing it seems to be to have a bunch of wine, last night's bottle of 2005 Baudry Grézeaux reminded me why acquiring them does make sense. While the wine was still a bit structured, it was better than a 2011 or 2010 would be last night. Really beautiful and full of Grézeaux-ness. It was a bit of a question at the time whether the intensity of 2005 would overwhelm the particulars of the terroir. At this point, the answer, to my mind, is no. This is drinking well now, but should smooth out with a few more years in the cellar.
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That's music to my jaded ears. I've got more Grezeaux in the cellar than any other Baudry wine (a lot of the Granges, Estate and rosé never makes it to the cellar).

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by VLM:
...it was better than a 2011 or 2010 would be last night.
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That said, the 2010 Grézeaux is pretty lovely these days.
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Still? Maybe it'll never shut down. The 2011 could use some shaving around the edges.
 
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