What did you drink tonight?

originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by Brad Kane:
I'm not sure you can call a 13 year old rose, even from Cotat, premoxed.
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Yes you can.

You can see all sorts of crazy tertiary development in something that's overdue but had run a natural course. These POXed bottles are like the red coats stunned with a phaser.
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I don't disagree that aged Cotat can offer compelling tertiary development, but not always, which is why I think it's more of a crapshoot. Additionally, though I've certainly had my fill of older Cotat rose, as a rule I'd have to say none have been as thrilling as the wine was within the first few years of release. Ymmv, of course.

Frankly, I think I'm becoming more like the Vulgar Monkey in my old age. I'm preferring most of my whites younger these days and really see no benefit to extended aging for Rose where the point, imo, is the freshness of the fruit.
 
originally posted by MLipton:
Tonight, Jean wanted a red wine for an aperitif. As a result, I opened the liter bottle of 2012 Andi Knauss Trollinger, which after a decent chill proved to be exactly what the doctor ordered:
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you or Jean get a prescription for this stuff? can you hook me up with you doctor please, because I think freaking vladcare will pay for this, unless they go with the generic, and last time i checked with fatboy, i don't want any of that

Upon the arrival of the applewood smoked duck from the grill, we switched to a bottle of '08 Digioa-Royer Bourgogne, a bottle hand sold to me by CSW 3-4 years ago. It was all that one could have asked of it: earthy, slightly vegetal with tart raspberry fruit and a lean profile that belied the depth of the wine. Really great with the duck, too.
Mark Lipton
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that's good to hear, because the 12s at the Grands Jours failed to impress (extracted, dark, almost tarry)
 
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by Brad Kane:
I'm not sure you can call a 13 year old rose, even from Cotat, premoxed.
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Yes you can.

You can see all sorts of crazy tertiary development in something that's overdue but had run a natural course. These POXed bottles are like the red coats stunned with a phaser.
Click to expand...

I don't disagree that aged Cotat can offer compelling tertiary development, but not always, which is why I think it's more of a crapshoot.
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of course - this is by no means an exact science.
We are making a guess with 2001 and 2000, hopefully an educated one.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by Brad Kane:
I'm not sure you can call a 13 year old rose, even from Cotat, premoxed.
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Yes you can.

You can see all sorts of crazy tertiary development in something that's overdue but had run a natural course. These POXed bottles are like the red coats stunned with a phaser.
Click to expand...

I don't disagree that aged Cotat can offer compelling tertiary development, but not always, which is why I think it's more of a crapshoot.
Click to expand...

of course - this is by no means an exact science.
We are making a guess with 2001 and 2000
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Which is why I don't think it's so accurate to cry premox on old rose.
 
There is a difference between premox and "old." You get different flavors.

If you actually know the wine well, it is not hard to distinguish them.

I was quite surprised to find premox in that rose.
 
originally posted by MLipton:
Upon the arrival of the applewood smoked duck from the grill, we switched to a bottle of '08 Digioa-Royer Bourgogne, a bottle hand sold to me by CSW 3-4 years ago. It was all that one could have asked of it: earthy, slightly vegetal with tart raspberry fruit and a lean profile that belied the depth of the wine. Really great with the duck, too.

Mark Lipton
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I always find hand-sold wines to be more authentic than machine-sold ones.
 
originally posted by fillay:
originally posted by MLipton:
Upon the arrival of the applewood smoked duck from the grill, we switched to a bottle of '08 Digioa-Royer Bourgogne, a bottle hand sold to me by CSW 3-4 years ago. It was all that one could have asked of it: earthy, slightly vegetal with tart raspberry fruit and a lean profile that belied the depth of the wine. Really great with the duck, too.

Mark Lipton
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I always find hand-sold wines to be more authentic than machine-sold ones.
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Lyle no longer works there :)
 
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by MLipton:
Tonight, Jean wanted a red wine for an aperitif. As a result, I opened the liter bottle of 2012 Andi Knauss Trollinger, which after a decent chill proved to be exactly what the doctor ordered:
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you or Jean get a prescription for this stuff? can you hook me up with you doctor please, because I think freaking vladcare will pay for this, unless they go with the generic, and last time i checked with fatboy, i don't want any of that

Upon the arrival of the applewood smoked duck from the grill, we switched to a bottle of '08 Digioa-Royer Bourgogne, a bottle hand sold to me by CSW 3-4 years ago. It was all that one could have asked of it: earthy, slightly vegetal with tart raspberry fruit and a lean profile that belied the depth of the wine. Really great with the duck, too.
Mark Lipton
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that's good to hear, because the 12s at the Grands Jours failed to impress (extracted, dark, almost tarry)
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'Their 02 Chambolle-musignys, both regular and veillles vignes, are going strong. Delightful wines.
 
originally posted by .sasha:

you or Jean get a prescription for this stuff? can you hook me up with you doctor please, because I think freaking vladcare will pay for this, unless they go with the generic, and last time i checked with fatboy, i don't want any of that
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Well, since we're both doctors (of a sort), what the doctor ordered in our house just means whatever we want

that's good to hear, because the 12s at the Grands Jours failed to impress (extracted, dark, almost tarry)
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That's downright depressing, old boy. When the CSW boys gave me a snort of the '08, it was racy to the point of being austere (but had enough promise to the fruit that I decided to get some) and the diametric opposite of dark. Change in winemaking there?

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by fillay:

I always find hand-sold wines to be more authentic than machine-sold ones.
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Given my online ordering proclivities, most all the wine in my cellar is machine-sold. And farkin' good (for the most part).

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by MLipton:

that's good to hear, because the 12s at the Grands Jours failed to impress (extracted, dark, almost tarry)
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That's downright depressing, old boy. When the CSW boys gave me a snort of the '08, it was racy to the point of being austere (but had enough promise to the fruit that I decided to get some) and the diametric opposite of dark. Change in winemaking there?

Mark Lipton
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big tasting, three samples... who cares?
we'll see if I was mislead, when the wines turn up bottled
But of the domaines I had not tried before, I was happier with Bryczek
 
2012 Willi Schaefer Graacher Himmelreich Kabinett

Finally settled down from bottling and/or shipping and was amazingly beautiful and balanced with dinner last night. Screwcap.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
2012 Willi Schaefer Graacher Himmelreich Kabinett

Finally settled down from bottling and/or shipping and was amazingly beautiful and balanced with dinner last night. Screwcap.
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#2, Jay? I gots me some of that.

Mark Lipton
 
ESJ "Shadow" of all things. Steve said to drink it all young, I apparently failed to follow directions because I found some in the cellar over the weekend. It's certainly not for the froot loops, but I like it just fine.
 
2 more ESJ wines: '13 Heart of Gold and '13 Bone-Jolly Rose (twice). The '13 Rose is definitely a jolly wine. Let's get real. Have you had one of Steve's wines that didn't put you in a happy place?

The 2nd bottle of Rose was with Steve, David Russell, Rob and Irene Adler, and Theresa Regli at Cotogna yesterday. Steve was waxing ecstatic on all his '13s. He said the raw materials from that vintage were mind-blowing.
 
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by Jay Miller:
2012 Willi Schaefer Graacher Himmelreich Kabinett

Finally settled down from bottling and/or shipping and was amazingly beautiful and balanced with dinner last night. Screwcap.
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#2, Jay? I gots me some of that.

Mark Lipton
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I'm pretty sure that's the only one, yes.
 
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