Huet 2002 wiki

[Jonathan Loesberg]

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by Brad Kane:
Btw, is there some reason why pre mox/pre moxed (without the space) is now censored? That's just silly. It would be nice if the Politburo corrected that.

IIRC, Brad, it started when you berated another poster for misuse of the term. I guess that the Politburo wanted to nip such discussions in the bud, but that's rank speculation on my part. I agree, though, that this censoring business is an annoyance.

I believe you're referring to the Muscadet incident and I stand by my position that too many people wrongly use the term pre mox, as they did in that instance. To ban the word as a result of that discussion is pretty juvenile.

But you were in fact wrong about the 02 L d'Or and for that the 02 Pepiere Briords, both of which, while moving toward a mellowed profile, at least from my cellar, are as fresh as daisies. And, while my cellar may be an anomaly, other tastings of even older L d'Ors have confirmed it. I therefore asseverate that boxed bottles of these wines are premised and Kane is wrong to say otherwise. Preferring the flavor profiles of younger to older versions of these wines is a different issue and thus irrelevant to this argument about which you are incorrect.

 

[Brad Kane]

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by Brad Kane:
Btw, is there some reason why pre mox/pre moxed (without the space) is now censored? That's just silly. It would be nice if the Politburo corrected that.

IIRC, Brad, it started when you berated another poster for misuse of the term. I guess that the Politburo wanted to nip such discussions in the bud, but that's rank speculation on my part. I agree, though, that this censoring business is an annoyance.

I believe you're referring to the Muscadet incident and I stand by my position that too many people wrongly use the term pre mox, as they did in that instance. To ban the word as a result of that discussion is pretty juvenile.

But you were in fact wrong about the 02 L d'Or and for that the 02 Pepiere Briords, both of which, while moving toward a mellowed profile, at least from my cellar, are as fresh as daisies. And, while my cellar may be an anomaly, other tastings of even older L d'Ors have confirmed it. I therefore asseverate that boxed bottles of these wines are premised and Kane is wrong to say otherwise. Preferring the flavor profiles of younger to older versions of these wines is a different issue and thus irrelevant to this argument about which you are incorrect.

Once again you're wrong in your assessment of the argument that was going on and are focusing on something I said I was being polite about before addressing the real issue. Here's what was said in response to you on that thread:

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by Michael Lewis:
Brad just about invented the whole idea of [CENSORED] when he published a peer-reviewed study of 2002 Huet in the journal Science. Fuck that. Great teachers do not impart wisdom that way, and they sure as shit don't make it so obvious that they want the world to think they are great teachers. We are all in a perpetual state of learning about wine, so more humility ought to be required from a guy that still doesn't understand why anyone likes mature red Burgundy.

What a stupid statement, Michael. I went through how I went about deducing that there were [CENSORED] issues with much of the '02 Huet line. It's called building a case. Aren't you a lawyer? Don't you know how to do that, or do you get your evidence from one source and loudly yell, "I rest my case!"

Getting back to the original point, Jonathan, about the age. Just because the '89 and '90 L d'Or are still good, doesn't mean that's the normal aging curve. Personally, I find the curve shorter and, for that matter, with regard to the '89, I think it drank a lot better ten years ago than it has anytime since. At age fourteen, as this '02 is, even the best Muscadet just aren't young.

Classic confusion of issues. You may not like them as much with more age on them. But that doesn't mean they tend to be oxidized at 14. I think the 02s are the oldest Muscadets I have in my cellar. They are still there because I still liked them in 12, 13, 14 and 15. If they are oxidized now, they dropped off a cliff. I don't know if that is evidence of [CENSORED] or ox. As I said, I'll taste one of my remaining handful this weekend and weigh in.

No confusion whatsoever, Jonathan. I was trying to be nice at first and then things changed. Are you telling me there's no thread drift on this board?

Just as some people here have a bug up their ass about the use of "[CENSORED]," or typos, some of us have them about the use of [CENSORED], which too many people use on the various boards anytime they have an of bottle.

The real issue was people calling pre mox with no supporting evidence, which happens all too frequently and if you go back and read that thread, it seems many people agree that the bottle in question was probably heat damaged, not pre moxed.

 

[Tom Glasgow]

And the two of you wonder why the word was censored?

 

[Jay Miller]

originally posted by Florida Jim:

originally posted by Kay Bixler:
I'm pro-censorship on this board. Is Parker still censored?

Who dat?
Best, Jim

Probably a misspelling of Parkour. People on this bored favor gymnasiums.

 

[Jay Miller]

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Parker was censored on Wine Therapy, which also censored Hitler, in respect of the Godwin rule, and ***********, I have always thought because of Hitler's policy of Lebensraum, but I'm not sure. I think the rules changed here and became more capricious as befits a board run by a Politburo. I have not yet heard of anyone who's existence has been erased, so to speak, so we should be happy with what we have.

We should all post on threads as though we were having a discussion in someone's Lebensraum.

 

[Oswaldo Costa]

originally posted by Jay Miller:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Parker was censored on Wine Therapy, which also censored Hitler, in respect of the Godwin rule, and ***********, I have always thought because of Hitler's policy of Lebensraum, but I'm not sure. I think the rules changed here and became more capricious as befits a board run by a Politburo. I have not yet heard of anyone who's existence has been erased, so to speak, so we should be happy with what we have.

We should all post on threads as though we were having a discussion in someone's Lebensraum.

Depends on whether one finds their lebensbraum capacious enough.

 

[Jeff Grossman]

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:

originally posted by Jay Miller:
We should all post on threads as though we were having a discussion in someone's Lebensraum.

Depends on whether one finds their lebensbraum capacious enough.

Well, if not then we could annex the dining room. It's a lot like a ***********.

 

[Florida Jim]

originally posted by Jeff Grossman:

originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:

originally posted by Jay Miller:
We should all post on threads as though we were having a discussion in someone's Lebensraum.

Depends on whether one finds their lebensbraum capacious enough.

Well, if not then we could annex the dining room. It's a lot like a ***********.

Conservatory.
Professor Plum, with the lead pipe.
Best, Jim

 

[mark e]

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by SFJoe:
Pale, pristine LHL demi. From the same box as the others.

Fucking hell.

Well, I always quake in my boots when I decide to open another 2002. Only the demi-secs are left at this point. I opened a Le Mont demi tonight thinking it might work with something spicy, but there is too much alcohol, ergo the wine tastes hot with the dish (andouille and peppers). Oxidized, as always. And . . . a very crumbly cork. (I've posted before that all of my 2002 secs had loose corks, which would definitely explain why they were so oxidized)

Not unpleasant, but seems like a Huet from the 60s not 2002. Oh, well.

PS: Obviously I can't use the word [CENSORED] because it censored by the politburo, so I've left out the "pre".

 

[MLipton]

That's a very interesting observation, Mark, about the state of the corks. Has there been any indication from Pinguet or the Hwangs about any change in supplier?

Mark Lipton
(Mercifully bereft of '02s since before this thread started)

 

[Sharon Bowman]

I hate these old threads.

 

[Karen Goetz]

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
I hate these old threads.

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It is awful to read them!

 

[Carl Steefel]

originally posted by Jeff Grossman:

originally posted by Yixin:
Mine are fine, but the importer is fastidious.

If that matters....

Yeah, likely does not...

 

[Brad Kane]

Opened an '02 Clos du Bourg demi a month or so ago and it was pre moxed. Just opened an '02 Le Haut-Lieu demi to bring to Chinese tonight and it was shot. Opened an '02 Le Mont demi afterwards, because I'm a masochist, and it was shot. Merry fucking Christmas!

 

[mark e]

originally posted by Brad Kane:
Opened an '02 Clos du Bourg demi a month or so ago and it was pre moxed. Just opened an '02 Le Haut-Lieu demi to bring to Chinese tonight and it was shot. Opened an '02 Le Mont demi afterwards, because I'm a masochist, and it was shot. Merry fucking Christmas!

Well, Brad, that brings this annus horribilis to a resounding end. I've still got tons of 2002 demi-secs (LHL and Le Mont; no CdB). I wonder whether I should use teh fatsink . . . then again it makes for stellar long braised dishes. Now, if it weren't for that pesky tick bite and the IgE-specific allergic response to galactose-α-1,3-galactose, I could actually cook big hunks of meat in it. Oh, well.

 

[slaton]

originally posted by mark e:
Now, if it weren't for that pesky tick bite and the IgE-specific allergic response to galactose-α-1,3-galactose, I could actually cook big hunks of meat in it.

Not sure if you were being serious, but if so - my condolences. Just learned about alpha-gal allergy recently.

 

[mark e]

originally posted by slaton:

originally posted by mark e:
Now, if it weren't for that pesky tick bite and the IgE-specific allergic response to galactose-α-1,3-galactose, I could actually cook big hunks of meat in it.

Not sure if you were being serious, but if so - my apologies. Just learned about alpha-gal allergy recently.

Dead serious, alas. It's quite common now in my neck of the woods.

 

[Brad Kane]

originally posted by mark e:

originally posted by slaton:

originally posted by mark e:
Now, if it weren't for that pesky tick bite and the IgE-specific allergic response to galactose-α-1,3-galactose, I could actually cook big hunks of meat in it.

Not sure if you were being serious, but if so - my apologies. Just learned about alpha-gal allergy recently.

Dead serious, alas. It's quite common now in my neck of the woods.

You know, I remember Dougherty talking about this tick bite effect. I didn't realize that maybe he was talking about you! Sorry to hear it. That's really tough.

In other news, a bottle of '04 Luneau-Papin L d'Or showed advanced and an '08 Chidaine Montlous Clos Habert also wasn't itself.

 

[Jeff Grossman]

originally posted by mark e:
Well, Brad, that brings this annus horribilis to a resounding end. I've still got tons of 2002 demi-secs (LHL and Le Mont; no CdB). I wonder whether I should use teh fatsink . . . then again it makes for stellar long braised dishes. Now, if it weren't for that pesky tick bite and the IgE-specific allergic response to galactose-α-1,3-galactose, I could actually cook big hunks of meat in it. Oh, well.

The only '02s I have left are Le Mont demisec. Can you point me towards a good Vouvray-based stew recipe?

 

[Kay Bixler]

originally posted by mark e:

originally posted by slaton:

originally posted by mark e:
Now, if it weren't for that pesky tick bite and the IgE-specific allergic response to galactose-α-1,3-galactose, I could actually cook big hunks of meat in it.

Not sure if you were being serious, but if so - my apologies. Just learned about alpha-gal allergy recently.

Dead serious, alas. It's quite common now in my neck of the woods.

A friend just got the same diagnosis. You can still enjoy poultry though?