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Best bottle of '02 LHL Demi in a long time last night, though I still found it advanced. Jayson and Coad loved it. Don liked it and did note there's advancement, which led to a discussion as to whether fifteen is the new thirty in terms of aging curve. Salil agreed with my assessment with regard to it still showing too much advancement. I don't recall Jay's reaction to it.
Chris Coad
Chris Coad
I liked it a lot and thought that, while it wasn't preternaturally fresh and young-tasting, the advancement was well within the normal range of a 15-year-old Vouvray. A '99 Bourg demi I had a couple days ago showed just about exactly the same level of development, maybe a little more.
originally posted by Chris Coad:
I liked it a lot and thought that, while it wasn't preternaturally fresh and young-tasting, the advancement was well within the normal range of a 15-year-old Vouvray. A '99 Bourg demi I had a couple days ago showed just about exactly the same level of development, maybe a little more.
Except that '99 was a subpar vintage marred by grey rot and '02 was a brilliant vintage for demi-sec, so they really shouldn't show similar development.
Chris Coad
Chris Coad
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by Chris Coad:
I liked it a lot and thought that, while it wasn't preternaturally fresh and young-tasting, the advancement was well within the normal range of a 15-year-old Vouvray. A '99 Bourg demi I had a couple days ago showed just about exactly the same level of development, maybe a little more.
Except that '99 was a subpar vintage marred by grey rot and '02 was a brilliant vintage for demi-sec, so they really shouldn't show similar development.
You're suggesting mediocre vintages age faster?
That has not been my experience.
originally posted by Chris Coad:
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by Chris Coad:
I liked it a lot and thought that, while it wasn't preternaturally fresh and young-tasting, the advancement was well within the normal range of a 15-year-old Vouvray. A '99 Bourg demi I had a couple days ago showed just about exactly the same level of development, maybe a little more.
Except that '99 was a subpar vintage marred by grey rot and '02 was a brilliant vintage for demi-sec, so they really shouldn't show similar development.
You're suggesting mediocre vintages age faster?
That has not been my experience.
Depends on the vintage. Ripeness wasn't the issue in '99 as there were sweet wines made. The rot rain and rot were the issue.
originally posted by Brad Kane:
Best bottle of '02 LHL Demi in a long time last night, though I still found it advanced. Jayson and Coad loved it. Don liked it and did note there's advancement, which led to a discussion as to whether fifteen is the new thirty in terms of aging curve. Salil agreed with my assessment with regard to it still showing too much advancement. I don't recall Jay's reaction to it.
I wish I could have compared that to the '02 LHL Demi I opened this afternoon, which was golden and lovely in a completely oxidized way; it reminded me of a vin jaune without the "sous voile" character. That's not the way I like them. After a perfect bottle of Huet 2010 petillant brut last night it was disappointing. It did great work, though, in a braise of chicken, onions and sweet peppers (vacuum packed this summer; we grew a couple hundred pounds . . .)
Chris Coad
Chris Coad
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by Chris Coad:
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by Chris Coad:
I liked it a lot and thought that, while it wasn't preternaturally fresh and young-tasting, the advancement was well within the normal range of a 15-year-old Vouvray. A '99 Bourg demi I had a couple days ago showed just about exactly the same level of development, maybe a little more.
Except that '99 was a subpar vintage marred by grey rot and '02 was a brilliant vintage for demi-sec, so they really shouldn't show similar development.
You're suggesting mediocre vintages age faster?
That has not been my experience.
Depends on the vintage. Ripeness wasn't the issue in '99 as there were sweet wines made. The rot rain and rot were the issue.
So "rot rain" vintages age faster?
Again, not my experience.
originally posted by Chris Coad:
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by Chris Coad:
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by Chris Coad:
I liked it a lot and thought that, while it wasn't preternaturally fresh and young-tasting, the advancement was well within the normal range of a 15-year-old Vouvray. A '99 Bourg demi I had a couple days ago showed just about exactly the same level of development, maybe a little more.
Except that '99 was a subpar vintage marred by grey rot and '02 was a brilliant vintage for demi-sec, so they really shouldn't show similar development.
You're suggesting mediocre vintages age faster?
That has not been my experience.
Depends on the vintage. Ripeness wasn't the issue in '99 as there were sweet wines made. The rot rain and rot were the issue.
So "rot rain" vintages age faster?
Again, not my experience.
You must live in a happy place where vintages of the same age all age alike.
Chris Coad
Chris Coad
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by Chris Coad:
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by Chris Coad:
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by Chris Coad:
I liked it a lot and thought that, while it wasn't preternaturally fresh and young-tasting, the advancement was well within the normal range of a 15-year-old Vouvray. A '99 Bourg demi I had a couple days ago showed just about exactly the same level of development, maybe a little more.
Except that '99 was a subpar vintage marred by grey rot and '02 was a brilliant vintage for demi-sec, so they really shouldn't show similar development.
You're suggesting mediocre vintages age faster?
That has not been my experience.
Depends on the vintage. Ripeness wasn't the issue in '99 as there were sweet wines made. The rot rain and rot were the issue.
So "rot rain" vintages age faster?
Again, not my experience.
You must live in a happy place where vintages of the same age all age alike.
Oh, I'd say that place was more populated with vintage-chart enthusiasts. Not my peeps.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
"Vintages of the same age" is an interesting formulation.
Chris Coad
Chris Coad
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
"Vintages of the same age" is an interesting formulation.
Isn't it, though?
Jayson Cohen
Jayson Cohen
Chris is right. That bottle was right where it should be 14+ years after harvest. A "pre"mox bias has infected certain minds; they see it everywhere. Bad bottles don't get fresher with 2 hours of air, as this bottle did. And 2002 would not be the first crazy-good release that sheds an electric youth for a long adolescence, adolescence being a prolonged state of Huet's DS wines.
Jay Miller
Jay Miller
originally posted by Chris Coad:
I liked it a lot and thought that, while it wasn't preternaturally fresh and young-tasting, the advancement was well within the normal range of a 15-year-old Vouvray.
I agree with Chris here.
But we all know Brad likes to call pre mox without the least justification.
Just to note my last bottle (2 years ago) was definitely poxed. I didn't realise until this thread that Huet are under the spotlight more generally.
(My second last from the case on the same day was corked. Up until then most bottles were great, and still quite fresh, although on reflection one or two were more advanced than others leading up to those last two).
(My second last from the case on the same day was corked. Up until then most bottles were great, and still quite fresh, although on reflection one or two were more advanced than others leading up to those last two).
Like many disorderlies, I went long on the '02 Huet petillant in both flavors.
I recall a period in the 2008-9 timeframe where I shared a few bottles that appeared to be [CENSORED].
However, every bottle I've drank from roughly 2010 onward has been lovely. I believe I have one bottle left of each.
I have occasionally wondered whether this was just an odd stage the wine went through, or a providence issue with bottles sourced/opened during said timeframe.
Based on CellarTracker notes, which appear to semi-randomly document [CENSORED] bottles throughout the last 10+ years, I'd have to lean toward the latter. Or just an unusually high rate of bottle variation, I suppose.
I recall a period in the 2008-9 timeframe where I shared a few bottles that appeared to be [CENSORED].
However, every bottle I've drank from roughly 2010 onward has been lovely. I believe I have one bottle left of each.
I have occasionally wondered whether this was just an odd stage the wine went through, or a providence issue with bottles sourced/opened during said timeframe.
Based on CellarTracker notes, which appear to semi-randomly document [CENSORED] bottles throughout the last 10+ years, I'd have to lean toward the latter. Or just an unusually high rate of bottle variation, I suppose.
originally posted by slaton:
Like many disorderlies, I went long on the '02 Huet petillant in both flavors.
I recall a period in the 2008-9 timeframe where I shared a few bottles that appeared to be [CENSORED].
However, every bottle I've drank from roughly 2010 onward has been lovely. I believe I have one bottle left of each.
That timeline seems a bit odd, Slaton, as the earliest signs of problems with the '02s didn't really start to show itself until the '10-11 time period. By '12 there was widespread recognition of the issue across the board.
Yule, there have been periodic reports of small issues with Huet's '95 and '96 Sec and Demi-Secs, perhaps most commonly with the '95 Le Mont Sec, but nothing even remotely close to the size and scope of the problem with the '02s.
Chris Coad
Chris Coad
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by Chris Coad:
I liked it a lot and thought that, while it wasn't preternaturally fresh and young-tasting, the advancement was well within the normal range of a 15-year-old Vouvray.
I agree with Chris here.
But we all know Brad likes to call pre mox without the least justification.
I think we all think of it as a charming quirk at this point, no?