Petite Sirah, what is it good for?

SFJoe

Joe Dougherty
Not much, has been my answer for many years.

Hardy Wallace's 2012 version from pre-Prohibition Rosewood Vineyards in Redwood Valley, Mendocino, avoids the thick unyielding tannins that are easy to get from this grape by doing whole cluster and I suspect some form of semi-carbonic treatment. The wine is 12.6%, rather light on its feet, dark in color and has good zippy acidity. This may be as good as this stuff gets, but when you breed your peloursin with your syrah, the syrah comes out the loser IMO. Pleasantly grapey, nicely fruity, well-balanced, but just not an incredible amount of fun. The fruit is just a mite ho-hum.

A little poking around the interwebz suggests that Navarro used to make wine from these grapes, and that they gave them up because they weren't getting ripe enough. I certainly never had the Navarro version, did anyone?

It's a bit nostalgic to drag out Bob Thompson's book and look up the favored growers, and to find 25 years later from Jancis that the same folks are still at it. It reminds me of an insight I had when I had been learning about wine for a while--there is a lot of stuff in the market that you don't have to learn about or attend to. Just because someone sells it doesn't mean you have to care. I remember starting out, petite sirah was one of the grapes of California, and you would try to make sense of them. But at the end of the day, even in conscientious hands with old vines & etc., it's a boring grape.
 
originally posted by SFJoe: Petite Sirah, what is it good for?Not much, has been my answer for many years.

This may be as good as this stuff gets, but when you breed your peloursin with your syrah, the syrah comes out the loser IMO.

Joe, Interesting posting, especially since it led me to look up in Wikipedia what peloursin is in exact terms...

Peloursin is red French wine grape variety best known for crossing with Syrah to make the red wine grape Durif (known in the United States as Petite Sirah). The variety is believed to have originated in Isère from the northern Rhône-Alpes region. Today Peloursin can be found in some quantities in California and in the Australia wine region of Victoria.

(i) As a long time fan of Pets; and (ii) having had a lot of old Pets over the years; and (iii) still being a big fan of well made Durifs, I do feel that you have sold them short.

Not always compelling by any means, but much often delicious and quite food friendly...and often much more so than Syrahs, at least to my atrophied palate.

Just a friendly counter-point!

. . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Peter Creasey:
what peloursin is in exact terms...

Pete, I know that you and Kirk are eager to know that it is one contributor to Ganevat's J'en Veux.

(i) As a long time fan of Pets; and (ii) having had a lot of old Pets over the years; and (iii) still being a big fan of well made Durifs, I do feel that you have sold them short.
Pete, if you are a fan, you should search out this one.
 
...it's a boring grape.

Ooo...harsh. I think you're looking at it in the wrong context. Think Bar-B-Q or hearty American fare served out-of-doors instead of a metropolitan manse, and you might be getting a clearer picture.
 
originally posted by MarkS:
...it's a boring grape.

Ooo...harsh. I think you're looking at it in the wrong context. Think Bar-B-Q or hearty American fare served out-of-doors instead of a metropolitan manse, and you might be getting a clearer picture.

Wouldn't you rather have zinfandel?

Or mataro?

Or grenache?
 
I dunno, I rather like the Dashe Todd Bros Petite Sirah. But I sell the stuff, so I've got to say that.
 
I thought the one above was quite decent, I just felt the same treatment given to other grapes would have produced a better outcome.

Also, I'm a dyspeptic SOB.

Will have to try Mike's.
 
originally posted by Yixin:
I like Pinotage, so what do I know?

The other day I really enjoyed a carbonic Pinotage called RAM from an apparently interesting winery called Lammerschoek. Enough to get a case. A first.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
Petite Sirah, what is it good for?Not much, has been my answer for many years.

Hardy Wallace's 2012 version from pre-Prohibition Rosewood Vineyards in Redwood Valley, Mendocino, avoids the thick unyielding tannins that are easy to get from this grape by doing whole cluster and I suspect some form of semi-carbonic treatment. ... But at the end of the day, even in conscientious hands with old vines & etc., it's a boring grape.

The carbonic treatment seems to be the methode du jour in California (or the rest of the New World for that matter) these days to spark some interest in previously written off grape varieties or varieties planted in the wrong place. It can certainly piques one's interest to revisit or rediscover something lost or wrongly maligned. So far I've found some interesting things but few with any staying power. Where is the lost muscadet?
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by JasonA:
varieties planted in the wrong place

Clark Smith will tell you that every place is the wrong place.

Now, let's go rip out all the vines in France.

Dashe's carbonic zin's aren't planted in the wrong place.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:

Clark Smith will tell you that every place is the wrong place.
Or the right place! If you play your postmodern cards correctly, of course.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by MarkS:
...it's a boring grape.

Ooo...harsh. I think you're looking at it in the wrong context. Think Bar-B-Q or hearty American fare served out-of-doors instead of a metropolitan manse, and you might be getting a clearer picture.

Wouldn't you rather have zinfandel?

Or mataro?

Or grenache?

Not really. I get a hankering (admittedly seldom) about once a year to have a gutsy-tannic-rough-as-nails wine. Sometimes PS gets chosen, other times a tannat or a baga.
 
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