2010 prices, Clos Rougeard

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Tristan Welles

Tristan Welles
Am I seeing the same prices as others are? Even the Clos Rougeard cresting $100 a bottle? Or are online retailers mistaking the Bourg for the 'basic' bottling?

The prices listed on wine-searcher seem very strange.

I know that label hunters had finally caught up with the property, but find it difficult to believe the pricing has been pimped this much.

A non-internet retailer I frequent had a small allocation of the Clos Rougeard at a price that is still affordable, even if substantially higher than the release would have been 5 years ago.
 
Tristan,
Here are the prices in a recent offer I saw:

2010 Bourg Saumur-Champigny Rouge $133

2010 Poyeaux Saumur-Champigny Rouge $95

2010 Clos Saumur-Champigny Rouge $73

2010 Brézé Blanc $96
 
originally posted by Marc D:
Tristan,
Here are the prices in a recent offer I saw:

2010 Bourg Saumur-Champigny Rouge $133

2010 Poyeaux Saumur-Champigny Rouge $95

2010 Clos Saumur-Champigny Rouge $73

2010 Brézé Blanc $96
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Those are about what I've seen as the going prices, and bottles don't seem to last long. Bourg more often $150+.
 
originally posted by Marc D:
Tristan,
Here are the prices in a recent offer I saw:

2010 Bourg Saumur-Champigny Rouge $133

2010 Poyeaux Saumur-Champigny Rouge $95

2010 Clos Saumur-Champigny Rouge $73

2010 Brézé Blanc $96
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Those are well below current market. Grey stuff coming in has Clos $100+ and Bourg $200+. Interestingly, the market hasn't caught up with the scarcity of the Blanc, which is often priced at Poyeux levels.

To put it in perspective, the entire NC allocation is a bit less than the Clos allocation used to be.

The times we live in. Baudry is next.
 
Thanks for the replies.

Crush has the Clos listed at $150 and I assumed that must be for le Bourg.

An on-line retailer in CA with the regrettable name of "Collectible Fine Wine" has the Clos at $200 and the Brézé at $180.

By comparison the local retailer I mentioned sold the Clos at $63. But now out of stock. I hate to think those might be the last bottles of Rougeard wine I can afford to cellar.

It does raise the question of just where the demand is coming from. Is it really a matter of the Lifestyle crowd demanding whatever is deemed best? And how odd for an estate disorderly types revere for its traditional approach to achieve this status.
 
originally posted by VLM:
The times we live in. Baudry is next.
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I am repeating myself, but I think I already see the initial changes to the supply of Baudry. I could reliably expect a few local retailers to have some Baudry kicking around on the shelf. Now it is a planned purchase or I get shut out.
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originally posted by Tristan Welles:

It does raise the question of just where the demand is coming from. Is it really a matter of the Lifestyle crowd demanding whatever is deemed best? And how odd for an estate disorderly types revere for its traditional approach to achieve this status.
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When folks from Orange County are going gaga for wines like this, Jura and Vouvray, as they are on Wine Berserkers, you know we're living in different times.
 
I stumbled upon a cache of '10 Rougeard on a retailer's shelf recently for half the price I had been offered online... ~$70 for the Clos; ~$90 for the Poyeux and Breze (after tax and case discount)... Unfortunately they didn't have the Bourg. It's amazing the things you can find in random places.

The pricing disparity is fascinating though; the 3 tier system is clearly cheaper than grey market at normal markups, so clearly some folks are taking excess profits. Who?

Regardless, I'm guessing these are close to the last bottles of Rougeard I'll get to buy because next year everybody will be a lot smarter when pricing and grey market pricing is too tough to swallow for me.
 
originally posted by collin wolfe:
I stumbled upon a cache of '10 Rougeard on a retailer's shelf recently for half the price I had been offered online... ~$70 for the Clos; ~$90 for the Poyeux and Breze (after tax and case discount)... Unfortunately they didn't have the Bourg. It's amazing the things you can find in random places.

The pricing disparity is fascinating though; the 3 tier system is clearly cheaper than grey market at normal markups, so clearly some folks are taking excess profits. Who?

Regardless, I'm guessing these are close to the last bottles of Rougeard I'll get to buy because next year everybody will be a lot smarter when pricing and grey market pricing is too tough to swallow for me.
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Well, we'll see. I wanted Noel to price our Rougeard allocation at market, but he refused. For those lucky enough to get an allocation from our measly allocation, you're stealing money from me.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by collin wolfe:
I stumbled upon a cache of '10 Rougeard on a retailer's shelf recently for half the price I had been offered online... ~$70 for the Clos; ~$90 for the Poyeux and Breze (after tax and case discount)... Unfortunately they didn't have the Bourg. It's amazing the things you can find in random places.

The pricing disparity is fascinating though; the 3 tier system is clearly cheaper than grey market at normal markups, so clearly some folks are taking excess profits. Who?

Regardless, I'm guessing these are close to the last bottles of Rougeard I'll get to buy because next year everybody will be a lot smarter when pricing and grey market pricing is too tough to swallow for me.
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Well, we'll see. I wanted Noel to price our Rougeard allocation at market, but he refused. For those lucky enough to get an allocation from our measly allocation, you're stealing money from me.
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good ole southern hospitality
 
On a recent trip to London I discovered that the London Restaurant and Winebar scene is obsessed with Clos Rougeard.

I went to two restaurants and one winebar and they all had several vintages of Clos Rougeard and all were pouring it by the glass.
 
A NY retailer tells us that people who have always been big Burgundy and Bordeaux collectors are now asking for allocations of things like Rougeard and Overnoy (and getting them obviously) so the situation isn't going to improve or even out anytime soon.
 
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
A NY retailer tells us that people who have always been big Burgundy and Bordeaux collectors are now asking for allocations of things like Rougeard and Overnoy (and getting them obviously) so the situation isn't going to improve or even out anytime soon.
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Yep, it's a trophy now.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
A NY retailer tells us that people who have always been big Burgundy and Bordeaux collectors are now asking for allocations of things like Rougeard and Overnoy (and getting them obviously) so the situation isn't going to improve or even out anytime soon.
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Yep, it's a trophy now.
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Worse, many of these bottles will be opened as afterthoughts, at the end of sodden evenings, where there will be little to no chance of appreciation. You know the scene, after a vertical of Mugnier Musigny someone wants to show they're cultured and connected, so they pull out a Poyeux and say, "Anyone ever had this?" Then it's passed around as a curiosity, quickly forgotten.
 
originally posted by Jim Hanlon:


Worse, many of these bottles will be opened as afterthoughts, at the end of sodden evenings, where there will be little to no chance of appreciation. You know the scene, after a vertical of Mugnier Musigny someone wants to show they're cultured and connected, so they pull out a Poyeux and say, "Anyone ever had this?" Then it's passed around as a curiosity, quickly forgotten.
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pig fuckers
 
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