Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
1990 Jadot Pommard Arvelets 13.5%, mediocre.
It's October! What are you drinking?
- Thread starter Sharon Bowman
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In my case, it's a few '95s, but mostly '98-'00s. Those late '90s hot vintages are reaching the end of their maturity (IMO) for the most part, certain noteworthy examples (VT, Beaucastel) notwithstanding. For calibration, I drank my last bottle of '89 Beaucastel about 3 years ago. Now that I think about it, however, there's also an '83 Beaucastel lurking in the cellar, a gift from my wife a year or two ago (not a gift entirely devoid of self-interest, I'll note).
Mark Lipton
Steve Edmunds
Steve Edmunds
Pinot Gris Szoke (with the two little whatchamacallits over the o)
Hungary 2013 $10 a glass, $38 a bottle
on the menu list of "Wine, Beer, Spirits"
They used to make very good chicken soup with matzoh balls, and Cornelia wanted some because she was feeling under the weather. The soup appears to have been under something, maybe a spell. Underwhelming, for sure.
The wine was a pleasure to drink. The available wines were all things I'd never seen.
Hungary 2013 $10 a glass, $38 a bottle
on the menu list of "Wine, Beer, Spirits"
They used to make very good chicken soup with matzoh balls, and Cornelia wanted some because she was feeling under the weather. The soup appears to have been under something, maybe a spell. Underwhelming, for sure.
The wine was a pleasure to drink. The available wines were all things I'd never seen.
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
I've had some great old CdPs. Putting aside the 29 something or others I had thanks to Cole, there was an 88 VT a couple of years ago. I still have some 95 Pegaus that I expect to be what they are: austere but well within drinking range. Mostly, I"m with my counterpart Professor L, above, thinking that I should be finishing 98s in the next couple of years, and 00s shortly after. I like Barrot a lot in the 90s, but I wouldn't be surprised to see an 89 be showing its age.
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
If you want to see how pretty old vine Cinsault from Lodi can be, try the Birichino or Turley Bechthold bottlings. Same source as the Cinsault in the Clos Saron wine, but not blended. Vines from the 19th century. Both really delicious wines and priced under $25. In an alternate universe those wines are as sought after as Houillon Poulsard.
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
Verrrrry interesting. Thanks, Jim.
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
originally posted by Chris Coad:
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
This was consumed within the month of October 2015 and is a perhaps small (toot, toot) argument for the grape.
Oddly enough, I had that very same wine tonight. A big rough-edged at first, really came together with time and air.
Had a nice Chinon blanc, too.
What are the chances!
Though I think I had fries. You might not have.
Michael G. Hanchard
Michael G. Hanchard
Just polishing off a 2008 Produttori di Carema Classico, quite a contrast from the hot vintage preceding and following it ('07 and '09). High toned, lean with a noticeable acidity that attenuates the sour cherry flavors. Scents of tobacco, cherry and dried leaves course through the palate, with more lean, pomegranate flavors reminiscent of Boca, Ghemme,Inferno and other high-altitude nebbiolo-based wines.Based on this one bottle, might be on the downside, leaner and meaner with time. A pleasant enough drink while I wait for the '08 Riservas to age, but if I had some stock I would not hold onto it any longer.
Michael G. Hanchard
Michael G. Hanchard
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
The only Carema in my storage now is 2007 Ferrando Etichetta Nera. Drink or hold, do you think?
Chris Coad
Chris Coad
How did cinsault vineyards survive prohibition? I know the zinfandel story, but cinsault?
Ken Burns me on this, please.
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
I've read that Lodi was one of the centers of the home winemaking business during prohibition. People were allowed to make quite a bit of wine at home for personal consumption (200 gallons or so, I think). The Mondavi family was very active in that business before moving on to Napa after prohibition. Wouldn't surprise me if these vines were used to make juice concentrate or something else that could be sold for home fermentation. There are quite a few pre-prohibition vineyards still out in and near Lodi, which until recently was just bulk wine country.
Chris Coad
Chris Coad
Interesting, thanks.
Last night, a couple of white burgs (Carillon PM Referts 2010, delicious, focused, structured yet tasty; 2011 Lafon Meursault clos de la barre, more open and sweeter and a bit lighter, charming), a couple of Bachelet Charmes (07, tasty and giving with a bit of structure; and 00, funky at first, blew off to turn into a fine mature burg. I do think the 07 the superior wine if not the superior drink last night); 01 faiveley mazis (open and fine); and 01 christoffel urz wurz auslese *** - bit of botrytis and r.s. But not particularly sweet, rich and light on its feet at the same time, if that makes sense.
The 08 Boillot GC was fine. Certainly more elegant and refined than the Prudhon Les Chambres. And it gained some palate weight with air (finished the bottle over 6 hours).
But it is consistent with all my previous experiences in that it still seems more 'interesting' and 'promising' as opposed to pure enjoyment/singing. Which has led me to not open any of my other Boillot 08s.
But, that is why I am curious about the 08s you'll be opening on Tuesday, and was wondering myself what kind of aeration they will get!
But it is consistent with all my previous experiences in that it still seems more 'interesting' and 'promising' as opposed to pure enjoyment/singing. Which has led me to not open any of my other Boillot 08s.
But, that is why I am curious about the 08s you'll be opening on Tuesday, and was wondering myself what kind of aeration they will get!
Florida Jim
Florida Jim
2014 ESJ, Syrah, Barsotti Ranch - in the style of Beaujolais, very low alcohol, fresh, lively.
2014 Cruse Wine, St. Laurent - even lower alcohol, sous bois, bright fruit, charming
2014 Cruse Wine, Valdiguie Pet. Nat. - playful and happy, also low alc., quite good
1999 Lafarge, Volnay 1er - serious, layered, grippy and not yet ready
2012 Sella and Mosca, Torbato, Alghero - with dinner at La Ciccia and excellent with the cuisine
2014 Terrane, Carignane (sans soufre) - fruit filled, fresh, medium textured, quite long
2014 Dirty and Rowdy, Mourvèdre Especial - fucking great, desert island wine
2006 Overnoy, Arbois-Pupillan rouge - in a good place, peaceful, charming, elegant, layered.
Best, Jim
2014 Cruse Wine, St. Laurent - even lower alcohol, sous bois, bright fruit, charming
2014 Cruse Wine, Valdiguie Pet. Nat. - playful and happy, also low alc., quite good
1999 Lafarge, Volnay 1er - serious, layered, grippy and not yet ready
2012 Sella and Mosca, Torbato, Alghero - with dinner at La Ciccia and excellent with the cuisine
2014 Terrane, Carignane (sans soufre) - fruit filled, fresh, medium textured, quite long
2014 Dirty and Rowdy, Mourvèdre Especial - fucking great, desert island wine
2006 Overnoy, Arbois-Pupillan rouge - in a good place, peaceful, charming, elegant, layered.
Best, Jim
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
This was great last night.