Luigi Veronelli Astor tasting

Cole Kendall

Cole Kendall
Wine is the song of the Earth to the Sky

Luigi Veronelli was a man of many aspects. The closest US counterparts I could find would be Barney Rosset and Richard Seaver of Grove Press, perhaps with some Robert Parker and Julia Child mixed in. I am still not an expert on Veronelli, so I await corrections from those who know his work better.

[Mild disclaimer: I did some translating for the event, trying to present the complexly simple thoughts of Veronelli in clear English. But other than having the chance to dine with Arturo in Bergamo and get an invite to the event I have received no compensation.]

Like Rosset and Seaver of Grove Press, Veronelli had a memorable battle with Coca Cola. The Grove Coca Cola incident is worth recounting: they published a book called "Diary of a Harlem Schoolteacher" and advertised that it was the "real thing." Coca Cola took offense at the appropriation of its slogan and Seaver responded: "We note with sympathy your feeling that you have a proprietary interest in the phrase "It's the real thing," and I can fully understand that the public might be confused by our use of the expression, and mistake a book by a Harlem schoolteacher for a six-pack of Coca-Cola. Accordingly, we have instructed all our salesmen to notify bookstores that whenever a customer comes in and asks for a copy of Diary of a Harlem Schoolteacher they should request the sales personnel to make sure that what the customer wants is the book, rather than a Coke. This, we think, should protect your interest and in no way harm ours." Letter

And of course both Grove and Veronelli battled to publish De Sade.

Veronelli battled Coca Cola in his own way, suing to stop production because of a technical issue and he managed to stop sales in Italy for a day.

Like Child, he promoted a way to eat well made food at home, though his battle was to bring regional Italian food to Italians everywhere and to try to get people to eat in a reasonable way.

Like Parker, he supported certain wineries and managed to raise their prices, changing the wine world (though mostly for the better, unlike RMP). Veronelli favored development of single vineyard wines, brought us the term "vino da meditazione" and promoted producers in obscure regions (e.g., Abruzzo) who made wines of extraordinary quality. He was also unlike Parker in most ways, refusing to attach numbers to wine.

Veronelli assembled an amazing cellar, in quality, quantity and design. His cellar was designed with the use of the cement manhole inserts to hold his collection of tens of thousands of bottles (I believe something like 40+ thousand remain). His cellar included everything from wines that were made by very small local producers (without labels) to the top names in Italian wine along with wines from places he visited (he made important visits to France, the US and the country of Georgia).

The event at Astor was amazing in many respects. The family of Veronelli was there (his daughter, son-in-law and granddaughter who sang afterward) as well as wine producers from across Italy, who either knew Veronelli or whose family knew Veronelli. What was particularly impressive was that winemakers from across Italy appeared to talk about Veronelli and the usual Italian issues that cause troubles between people from various regions seemed forgotten.

In another forum John Morris has provided nice notes about the wines: Another website

Since I am not a brilliant note writer, I will only give a few impressions. The wines were all in amazing condition, seeming younger than would be possible so perhaps we should all spend a few years in Veronelli's cantina to slow down the aging process. Astor provided a fantastic place for a tasting; I felt like I was in some kind of elite wine school with fabulous seating, a private sink and good a/v equipment.

Bruno Giacosa Pinot Nero Spumante Extra Brut 1993: I must have known at some point that Giacosa made a bubbly white, but I have never seen it. My experience with Piemontese sparkling whites has not been overwhelming, so I fully expected this to be thin and tired, but instead it was fresh as a daisy and really quite lovely. Veronelli apparently loved this wine and bought it regularly, possibly an explanation why not much got to the DC market.

Emidio Pepe Montepulciano d'Abruzzo 1975: The man and the wine are incredible. I was lucky that Pepe's apparent inability to chat in English allowed me to have a few minutes with him to talk about wine and other things. He revealed that of recent vintages he thought I should look out for 2010 and 2013. But will I have to live another 30+ years to enjoy them as much I enjoyed this 1975?

Barolo Monprivato G. Mascarello 1970: It was an honor to taste this wine, the first single vineyard Barolo, that was more or less the basis of an intergenerational bet. Gepin Mascarello believed that blended Barolo was better than wine made from any individual vineyard. His father (Morissio) and son (Mauro) disagreed. Veronelli, naturally sided with M and M and in 1970 they tried it and M and M won the bet.

Maculan Torcolato Passito 1982: Veronelli was a great promoter of the obscure DOC (Breganze) and the even more obscure grape (a secret known to Bob Semon and only a few others, Vespaiola). A great wine that seems unchanged 35 years later. I got to ask Angela Maculan if any of their sweet wines evolve and she admitted that some of them do seem to change over time.

Thanks again to all concerned (and to the participants of the dinner afterward, including Manuel Biava who poured old and new vintages of his Moscato di Scanzo (and the incredible grappa), Diana Lenzi from Fattoria di Petroia and Enrico from Azienda Rizzi who shared his art with us.
 
Here's how the Luigi Veronelli Cellar looks like today (approximately 42.000 bottles of Italian and French wines, mostly, ranging from the 1890s up to the mid 2000s)

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Hi Cole,

once again and on behalf of Lucia Veronelli and Arturo Rota, too, many thanks for your important contribution to this event. Your excellent English translations preserved much of the witty, irreverent spirit of the original Veronelli quotations. It was good seeing you and Bob surrounded by so many chatty Italian growers at the party following the Seminar...:)

The closest US counterparts I could find would be Barney Rosset and Richard Seaver of Grove Press ... Like Rosset and Seaver of Grove Press, Veronelli had a memorable battle with Coca Cola. And of course both Grove and Veronelli battled to publish De Sade.

Striking similarities indeed! Arturo is already on the hunt for the Coca-Cola Letter and other writings / publications from Rosset & Seaver...

His cellar included everything from wines that were made by very small local producers (without labels) to the top names in Italian wine along with wines from places he visited (he made important visits to France, the US and the country of Georgia).

The trip to Tbilisi, Georgia in 1989 is particularly meaningful, I think, because 1) at a time when the USSR was crumbling apart, Veronelli was far-sighted enough to fly to Georgia with a bunch of Italian academics and growers (Sergio Manetti of Montevertine, Marco Felluga of Livio Felluga and Giacomo Bologna of Braida-Bologna) in order to rescue the botanical collections of the Tbilisi State University where the genome of 400+ ancient species of 'Vitis Vinifera' was stored; 2) this journey back to the origins of viticulture and the report that Luigi Veronelli and Prof. Attilio Scienza published in Italy short after they came back to Milan, clearly exerted a notable influence on growers like Josko Gravner who in the following years would revolutionize their cellar protocol experimenting a prolonged skin maceration for white wines in Amphorae (the 1997 Ribolla Gialla is Josko's first ever experiemnt of prolonged skin maceration with a white wine, and not by chance he sent several samples as a 'preview' / première to Luigi Veronelli in the summer of 1998).

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What was particularly impressive was that winemakers from across Italy appeared to talk about Veronelli and the usual Italian issues that cause troubles between people from various regions seemed forgotten.

Yes, quite an unusual view! :)
Emidio Pepe and Chiara Pepe, Angela Maculan, Giuseppe Mazzocolin (Felsina), Elena Mascarello (G.Mascarello), Prince AlessandroJacopo Boncompagni, Chiara Lenzi (Fattoria di Petroio), Lorenzo Pacenti (Canalicchio di Sopra F.Pacenti), Enrico Dellapiana (Rizzi)...all in good harmony and good order...taking turns on the center stage to deliver their speech and personal memory of Luigi Veronelli. That goes to show you the respect and the motivation power the Veronelli name still triggers in the heart of many Italian growers these days.
Too bad Raffaella Bologna, Elda Felluga and Baron Giorgio Cles could not make it to New York for various 'force majeure' causes.

The wines were all in amazing condition, seeming younger than would be possible so perhaps we should all spend a few years in Veronelli's cantina to slow down the aging process.

You are more than welcome for a tour of the Veronelli Cellar with Arturo and Lucia Veronelli, as well as Bob, John, Levi, Morgan, Alice and other ITB people (bloggers, journalists, importers and friends) who gathered at ASTOR Center last Friday night.
Well, the 1975 Oddero Flli Barolo we had with Arturo the last time you came to Bergamo was a nice enough aperitif...let's see what we can do for your upcoming new visit to Milan / Bergamo...

Bruno Giacosa Pinot Nero Spumante Extra Brut 1993: ... My experience with Piemontese sparkling whites has not been overwhelming, so I fully expected this to be thin and tired, but instead it was fresh as a daisy and really quite lovely.

I insisted with Arturo to open the tasting with the 1993 Giacosa PN Extra-Brut because I knew how fresh and fine it would be (there were many other options available from the Veronelli cellar of course). Dante Scaglione exlained to me this is a Pas Dosé / Zero Dosage in fact, although it says 'Extra-Brut' on the label. And there's a reason why this is such a fine and ageworthy Metodo Classico / Méthode Champenoise by Piemontese standard...it is made from 100% Pinot Noir grapes from Lombardy, Oltrepò Pavese DOC (the third largest PN grapes producing region worldwide behind Burgundy and Champagne...5.000 Ha, the best PN grapes are mostly sold in bulk outside the region...). What a wise 'courtier' / négociant is Signor Bruno Giacosa...even when it comes to a sparkling wine that is clearly a 'divertissement' in the big scheme of his wine range.

I would like to say thank you to Morgan Rich of Polaner Selections for his precious help in the complex wine service operations preceding the Seminar & Tasting (we expeditiously uncorked + flash-decanted 36 bottles that had been sitting for 30, 40 and even 50 years in the Veronelli Cellar...and then we poured the content into 324 Spigelau glasses in about 30 mins!).

Regarding the lineup of old Italian wines presented to the guests, Lucia, Arturo and I wanted to highlight those growers / families who had always been close friends of Luigi Veronelli, from the 1960s onwards. Moreover, we wanted to present a well-balanced lineup of wines, ranging from the North to the South of Italy, both Sparkling, white, red and dessert, including relatively underrated / lesser-known regions and varieties (think of the beautiful 1977 Barone de Cles Teroldego), in order to show how the Veronelli Cellar is disclosing to us today the full potential of certain Italian varieties / appellations that one would never cellar for 30 or 40 years (maybe next time we will open a 1978 Croesi Rossese 'Vigneto Curli' from Liguria or a 1973 Tardioli Sagrantino Secco from Umbria...).
Last but not least we had to consider the practical constraint to have at least 5 bottles available for each wine (a total 36 guests were invited to the Seminar). Personally I would have loved to present two white wines or even three...(that Italian white wines can age, and often age surprisingly well and slow...it is one of the great findings from the Veronelli Cellar), and a great Rosé from the south (1980 Valentini Cerasuolo anyone?...). Well, in the next episode maybe...

Service trivia info: all the 34 bottles and the 2 Mags (Giacosa 93 PN Extra-Brut / Braida 89 Bricco dell'Uccellone) were opened 30 mins before the Seminar started.
In the context of such an eclectic range of mature wines, it is absolutely fair to express a purely subjective preference for this or that wine.
During the 'wine service operations' preceding the Seminar, Morgan and I noticed that every group of 4 bottles was nicely consistent, pouring four wines with a remarkably similar color and bouquet (we didn't taste the wines before serving them, of course).
The two wines where I personally detected a marginally wider bottle variation were the 77 Barone de Cles and the 75 Pepe, so this may explain why guests sitting in different rows, whose glasses were filled with different bottles, expressed a variable level of appreciation for these two wines (ranging from good to great).
I had previously tasted all the nine wines at least once or twice in the past 12 months. I can say the 1970 Monprivato showed very well, definitely the best bottles of 1970 Monprivato I've had thus far (Elena Mascarello was quite happy and proud at the way the four bottles from the Veronelli cellar showed last Friday night...and rightfully so!).

I have uploaded on YouTube the two videos that were streamed at the event.
They offer a summary of the man - Luigi Veronelli - and his remarkable, eclectic legacy.


Thanks again to all the good old friends who came to ASTOR Center for this beautiful tasting. It was great seeing your after so many years.

including Manuel Biava who poured old and new vintages of his Moscato di Scanzo (and the incredible grappa)

agree with this one. Manuel's Moscato di Scanzo Grappa is exquisite and as light-on-its-feet as Grappa can get (distilled by Capovilla).
 
Cole and Luca, thank you so much for the lovely report on what sounds like a great evening.
Luca, it is wonderful to read your thoughts again on this forum. I hope you are well and will post here from time time to time in the future. What a treat to wake up and read this today!
 
originally posted by Marc D:
Cole and Luca, thank you so much for the lovely report on what sounds like a great evening.
Luca, it is wonderful to read your thoughts again on this forum. I hope you are well and will post here from time time to time in the future. What a treat to wake up and read this today!
Yes. This.
Best, jim
 
Hi Marc,

come back to Turin, Piemonte! We had a good time dining and drinking at our mutual friend Dario Pepino's villa in Turin that night of...5 years ago? or was it 6 years ago? hmmmm I don't remember now...:)
I only remember the 2004 Gulfi IGT Carricante and the 2004 Thomas-Labaille 'Galifard' as part of the lineup of that night...maybe an old Oddero Flli Barolo as well?
I hope all's well with you!
 
Those racks earthquake-proof?

well, Bergamo [the town near Milan where the Veronelli cellar is located] is not a seismic area, fortunately enough, but I presume those cement racks would withstand a medium strength earthquake quite well (the cellar is built 20 ft underground, excavated into compact mountain stone).
 
Best, jim

Hi Jim, come to Milan and we will open an old Francesco Gravner Ribolla di Oslavia from the 1980s: after 32 years...pale straw color with greenish reflections, zero oxydation, stony and salty, 12,5%.

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Luca,

I think our visit was closer to ten years ago. When we were there, the wineries in Piemonte were pouring the 2003 vintage Barolo wines, so maybe it was the fall season in 2006? How time flies.

There were a few old wines that night. Definitely an Oddero from the 70s. How is Dario?

Last night we drank the 2004 Oddero Barolo with a slow braised brisket of beef. The wine was drinking very nicely. High toned, red fruited and elegant tannin. I think this wine takes the side of Gepin Mascarello, and shows the advantages of blending different vineyards in the final result!

All is well here. My oldest son was married this summer. We are just back from a visit to Mexico where we went to some small villages in the Oaxaca valley and learned how Mezcal is produced from the agave cactus. Can a distilled alcohol show terroir? Maybe not in the way I think about grapes and wine, but the different wild agave plants did have noticeably unique flavors in the final product.
 
originally posted by Luca Mazzoleni:
Best, jim

Hi Jim, come to Milan and we will open an old Francesco Gravner Ribolla di Oslavia from the 1980s: after 32 years...pale straw color with greenish reflections, zero oxydation, stony and salty, 12,5%.

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A wonderful offer.
I’ll try.
Best, jim
 
originally posted by Luca Mazzoleni:
Thanks again to all the good old friends who came to ASTOR Center for this beautiful tasting. It was great seeing your after so many years.

LUCA!!!!

Had I known, I would have been there. I hope you are doing well.

I still think about those brilliant olive oils that you brought to Joe Dougherty's place among other fond memories.

I'll have to make sure to get in touch next time I'm in Europe.

Ciao.
Nathan
 
Hi Nathan! long time no speak. How are you doing? Always based in North Carolina? I hope all's well with you.

I don't remember the Olive Oils I brought to Joe Dougherty's place but I remember the night we got lost in Langa on our way back to the Hotel, after a nice long wine dinner in Monforte d'Alba with a mixed crowd of ITB people...gosh I was driving an old red Peugeot 106 back at that time...when was that, hmmm some time in 1999 or 2000 probably. Time flies indeed.
We visited Domenico Clerico, remember? I presume you've heard he passed away this past July. RIP.

Yes come over to Milan when you can and I'll treat you to some very, very old and interesting Italian wines. I'm drowning in old collectible Italian wines...I need to free some space in my cellar. :)
 
I think our visit was closer to ten years ago. How time flies.

Good gracious, ten years ago! Oh boy time flies, indeed.
Dario is doing well, he's got an impressive stamina and a thick skin in spite of the tracheotomy. I guess importing Vatan, P.Cotat, Thomas-Labaille, Henri Prudhon, Lafouges, Billion, Tarlant, Benoit-Lahaye, Savès, Marie Courtin, Jacky Legras, Pepière, Luneau-Papin and Dauvissat does well to one's health (let alone drinking the afm wines on a daily base...).

Definitely an Oddero from the 70s

You never go wrong with an old Oddero Barolo. Kind of the CVNE or La Rioja Alta of Barolo. Last month I shared a magnificent 75 Oddero Flli with Cole Kendall...which possibly inspired his excellent English translation of the Veronelli quotes...:)

My oldest son was married this summer.

congratulations! what wines did you serve / pour at the wedding party? the question comes naturally...

We are just back from a visit to Mexico where we went to some small villages in the Oaxaca valley and learned how Mezcal is produced from the agave cactus.

Remind me who once said "Para todo mal, mezcal; para todo bien, también; y si no hay remedio, litro y medio" ?...

Can a distilled alcohol show terroir?

Depends on how much intake...
 
you were in NYC and didn't request a jeebus? Please don't do that. It would have been great to see you again.

hi Jay! thanks for your message.
Unfortunately I was on a tight schedule this time around, that's why (and I was travelling with a bunch of Italian growers who needed my 'tourist guide' service 24h).

Sorry to have missed you and of course you are more than welcome in Milan if you ever find yourself in town!
 
originally posted by Luca Mazzoleni:
you were in NYC and didn't request a jeebus? Please don't do that. It would have been great to see you again.

hi Jay! thanks for your message.
Unfortunately I was on a tight schedule this time around, that's why (and I was travelling with a bunch of Italian growers who needed my 'tourist guide' service 24h).

Sorry to have missed you and of course you are more than welcome in Milan if you ever find yourself in town!

Thank you and hopefully you'll have time on a future visit. You can bring the growers!
 
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