Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Comes across rather pruny.
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One for the ages - the Professor will appreciate
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Comes across rather pruny.
Karen Goetz
Karen Goetz
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Ah. I expect you should stick to cooler vintages like 08, 11, and 13 (I'm guessing about the last two based on other domaines). Telegramme is made from younger vines and will be a lighter wine. I am not aware that its abv is lower, but I don't keep track.
I see. Thank you. Perhaps that the last VT we tried was 2009 did not help!
That was the last I have tried, last year. I found it to be what they usually are in warmer years since at least 98. I can see why those raised on the wine in the 80s and early 90s might not like it, as they will not like virtually all CdP. I was amazed to find that Jay likes some CdP from 95 and before and realized that the problem was global warming. I've never tasted Telegramme with any regularity, but I'm surprised that younger vines, as opposed to the rare cooler vintage, does anything for that problem.
I opened a magnum of 2004 Vieux Telegraphe Ch-du-Pape in December 2019 and a 750 in October 2019 and I was pleased with the wine. Just have a few more and I haven't opened any recently.
My notes: " delicious, interesting; some minerality and purple stoniness in mouth; bouquet was lovely with cherries and some briars but mostly fruit; taste had more fruit than I was expecting, almost sweet with fruit, lacked a little in tannins & minerality to balance out the fruit."
Karen Goetz
Karen Goetz
originally posted by Karen Goetz:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Ah. I expect you should stick to cooler vintages like 08, 11, and 13 (I'm guessing about the last two based on other domaines). Telegramme is made from younger vines and will be a lighter wine. I am not aware that its abv is lower, but I don't keep track.
I see. Thank you. Perhaps that the last VT we tried was 2009 did not help!
That was the last I have tried, last year. I found it to be what they usually are in warmer years since at least 98. I can see why those raised on the wine in the 80s and early 90s might not like it, as they will not like virtually all CdP. I was amazed to find that Jay likes some CdP from 95 and before and realized that the problem was global warming. I've never tasted Telegramme with any regularity, but I'm surprised that younger vines, as opposed to the rare cooler vintage, does anything for that problem.
I opened a magnum of 2004 Vieux Telegraphe Ch-du-Pape in December 2019 and a 750 in October 2019 and I was pleased with the wine. Just have a few more and I haven't opened any recently.
My notes: " delicious, interesting; some minerality and purple stoniness in mouth; bouquet was lovely with cherries and some briars but mostly fruit; taste had more fruit than I was expecting, almost sweet with fruit, lacked a little in tannins & minerality to balance out the fruit."
(The note above was that particular magnum in Dec. 2019.)
Interesting that the 750 ml in October 2019 seemed more lively (it's just one bottle, not a vintage, after all...):
"Color is bright deep red with dark notes. Bouquet was lovely from the moment opened: briary, fresh, slightly musical, stony. Tasted relaxed and really lovely; warm red fruits and a tiny clench of tannins; stones that have been warmed by the sun and softened; fruits are relaxed and almost languid; alcohol not obtrusive; lovely wine; no nervousness or nervosity; almost tranquil; not tired at all."
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by BJ:
Mourre du Tendre is another producer I have a lot of affection for.
Me too, but I am afraid it may have changed toward the modern since the grandson has taken over. The two Cotes de Rhone have multipled into 4 and when I tasted them at Printemps au Chateauneuf, the CdR VV did not seem as distinctive as previous renditions. The grandson had also added an upgrade cuvee of the Chateauneuf which showed clear new oak on it. These wines take years to come around, even the CdRs, so if you are young enough, a wait and see attitude seems called for. Other than the new cuvee of CdP, which is irredeemable, the others may all turn out to be like the ones has grandfather mad. The grandson, after all, learned to make wine at his grandfather's side.
I have the '15 CdR VV, the two bottles I've opened seemed very much of the old school, drinking well now but is really for laying down. Not that heavy per typical '15.
Peter Creasey
Peter Creasey
Brad, I've found Cote du Rhones from good producers to be almost indestructible.
. . . . Pete
. . . . Pete