CWD: What did you drink last night (or whenever)?

[Jay Miller]

2018 Rollin PV Les Vergelesses

Showing the ripe fruit of the vintage but in a pure, balanced manifestation

Eminently drinkable. Sort of loved it.

 

[Pavel Tchichikov]

originally posted by Jay Miller:
2018 Rollin PV Les Vergelesses

Showing the ripe fruit of the vintage but in a pure, balanced manifestation

Eminently drinkable. Sort of loved it.

I've been drinking 2018 hautes cotes with some regularity. As I noted in my (unpublished) barrel tasting note, it's the first version of the cuvee since I've started paying proper attention beginning with the 2008 vintage that can and should be enjoyed in its early days. Also pure and delicious.

 

[robert ames]

originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:

originally posted by Jay Miller:
2018 Rollin PV Les Vergelesses

Showing the ripe fruit of the vintage but in a pure, balanced manifestation

Eminently drinkable. Sort of loved it.

I've been drinking 2018 hautes cotes with some regularity. As I noted in my (unpublished) barrel tasting note, it's the first version of the cuvee since I've started paying proper attention beginning with the 2008 vintage that can and should be enjoyed in its early days. Also pure and delicious.

les vergelesses isn't in the hautes cotes aoc, is it?

 

[Pavel Tchichikov]

originally posted by robert ames:

les vergelesses isn't in the hautes cotes aoc, is it?

1er Cru Pernand.

 

[Salil Benegal]

2021 Grosset Polish Hill Riesling is really good. So light and crystalline and I could drink a lot of this very easily. Under screwcap, which I particularly appreciate after a couple of badly corked Rieslings in the last few weeks (a corked 2001 F. Haag Auslese was especially sad.)

 

[Jayson Cohen]

originally posted by robert ames:

originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
2014 Jean-Philippe Fichet Auxey-Duresses: Looking at the archives, VLM has posted on Fichet wines many times, but no one else really has. This was typical of the domaine -- lithe and mineral for contemporary white Burgundy, with no overt reduction or oak poking out. The Fichet wines can be a little spendy, although not really in the context of Meursault, but those here who don't know them should take a spin when an opportunity presents. This Auxey is a carefully grown and raised wine, and current vintages retail for $50ish.

amen on the fichet auxey-duresses. . .much better than their bourgogne and bougogne v.v., and so much $$ less than the village meursault. a great wine at that price point.

I have merely dabbled with Fichet over the years. I brought a nice bottle of the 1997 Tessons to dinner last spring. Bought on release from the old Garnet. Excellent. I was also able to back buy at auction in summer 2020 a bottle of 2013 and 2 2014 Auxey at low hammer pricing of $20 and $30 respectively. It’s worth keeping an eye out. I would have thought they need more time, but I could pull a bottle of 2014. I currently have 2019 BB VV in the queue to open.

 

[Jeff Grossman]

originally posted by Salil Benegal:
...a couple of badly corked Rieslings in the last few weeks (a corked 2001 F. Haag Auslese was especially sad.)

Ouch!

 

[robert ames]

originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:

originally posted by robert ames:

les vergelesses isn't in the hautes cotes aoc, is it?

1er Cru Pernand.

right. hence my question.

 

[Jim Hanlon]

2020 Ottavino Lambruschi Vermentino Colli di Luni: From Liguria, the domaine's base cuvee. I'm not a great Vermentino fan, especially as a varietal bottling, and this wine didn't change that. My issue with Vermentino is that, to my palate, it's assertive, but straightforward. It just gets tiring to drink. But I know that others feel differently, and this is a well made wine. Those who like Vermentino, or want to try a good one, should check this out. I would gladly drink this while eating some Pesto in Liguria.

2019 Sabelli-Frisch Mission La Malinche: Old vine Mission from Lodi, planted next to the Mokelumne River. This winery works with lots of less common varieties, but focuses on Mission. When I first heard the concept a few years ago, I thought that this was the 7% solution concept jumping the shark. The very heavy, Napa style bottle furthered the concern. But the wine is really very well done. Drinks more in the "dark rose" idiom, and better the second day. Exceptionally versatile at the table -- worked with corned beef. Not just for completists. Worth trying for anyone who's an explorer.

 

[Jim Hanlon]

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:

originally posted by robert ames:

originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
2014 Jean-Philippe Fichet Auxey-Duresses: Looking at the archives, VLM has posted on Fichet wines many times, but no one else really has. This was typical of the domaine -- lithe and mineral for contemporary white Burgundy, with no overt reduction or oak poking out. The Fichet wines can be a little spendy, although not really in the context of Meursault, but those here who don't know them should take a spin when an opportunity presents. This Auxey is a carefully grown and raised wine, and current vintages retail for $50ish.

amen on the fichet auxey-duresses. . .much better than their bourgogne and bougogne v.v., and so much $$ less than the village meursault. a great wine at that price point.

I have merely dabbled with Fichet over the years. I brought a nice bottle of the 1997 Tessons to dinner last spring. Bought on release from the old Garnet. Excellent. I was also able to back buy at auction in summer 2020 a bottle of 2013 and 2 2014 Auxey at low hammer pricing of $20 and $30 respectively. It’s worth keeping an eye out. I would have thought they need more time, but I could pull a bottle of 2014. I currently have 2019 BB VV in the queue to open.

Jayson, I tend to open white Burgundy young. I'm still gun shy about really aging it. That said, you and I probably both got these bottles from WineBid. If so, they're sound and mine showed no hint of pre-mox. The wine is good now, but will be better in 3-5 years.

 

[Ian Fitzsimmons]

originally posted by robert ames:

originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:

originally posted by robert ames:

les vergelesses isn't in the hautes cotes aoc, is it?

1er Cru Pernand.

right. hence my question.

Confused, as usual. Is this a dig at Pernand? Haut-cotes is regional; Les Vergelesses is - I think - just downslope from Isle de Vergelesses, which is a very distinguished Beaune 1er vineyard. Mere 'les' can be quite good: Chandon de Briaille vinifies an excellent exemplar, and Pavelot's can also shine.

Apropos the thread theme, and this comment, I opened a 2009 Pavelot les Vergelesses 1er last week, which was not generous the first night, in taste-aroma terms, though the texture was coming into that glassy-thin phases that bodes good things. Unfortunately, I caught a cold and haven't been able to get back to it for a couple of nights. If it turns out anything like the 2006, I will be wholly content. I'd guess ready to drink now with a long decant or slow-ox; likely better in another year or two.

 

[Jim Hanlon]

originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:

originally posted by robert ames:

originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:

originally posted by robert ames:

les vergelesses isn't in the hautes cotes aoc, is it?

1er Cru Pernand.

right. hence my question.

Confused, as usual. Is this a dig at Pernand? Haut-cotes is regional; Les Vergelesses is - I think - just downslope from Isle de Vergelesses, which is a very distinguished Beaune 1er vineyard. Mere 'les' can be quite good: Chandon de Briaille vinifies an excellent exemplar, and Pavelot's can also shine.

Apropos the thread theme, and this comment, I opened a 2009 Pavelot les Vergelesses 1er last week, which was not generous the first night, in taste-aroma terms, though the texture was coming into that glassy-thin phases that bodes good things. Unfortunately, I caught a cold and haven't been able to get back to it for a couple of nights. If it turns out anything like the 2006, I will be wholly content. I'd guess ready to drink now with a long decant or slow-ox; likely better in another year or two.

I didn't read Pavel's post as saying anything other than he was surprised to find another Rollin wine that he's followed for years drinking well early in 2018. If anything, it was an endorsement of the suggestion in the note that the 2018 Les Vergelesses was drinking well.

 

[robert ames]

"Confused, as usual. Is this a dig at Pernand? Haut-cotes is regional; Les Vergelesses is - I think - just downslope from Isle de Vergelesses, which is a very distinguished Beaune 1er vineyard. Mere 'les' can be quite good: Chandon de Briaille vinifies an excellent exemplar, and Pavelot's can also shine."

my question was because pavel seemed to be lumping les vergelesses in with wines of the hautes cotes in jay's comment regarding the wines of les vergelesses.

"I've been drinking 2018 hautes cotes with some regularity. As I noted in my (unpublished) barrel tasting note, it's the first version of the cuvee since I've started paying proper attention beginning with the 2008 vintage that can and should be enjoyed in its early days. Also pure and delicious."

 

[Ian Fitzsimmons]

originally posted by Jim Hanlon:

originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:

originally posted by robert ames:

originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:

originally posted by robert ames:

les vergelesses isn't in the hautes cotes aoc, is it?

1er Cru Pernand.

right. hence my question.

Confused, as usual. Is this a dig at Pernand? Haut-cotes is regional; Les Vergelesses is - I think - just downslope from Isle de Vergelesses, which is a very distinguished Beaune 1er vineyard. Mere 'les' can be quite good: Chandon de Briaille vinifies an excellent exemplar, and Pavelot's can also shine.

Apropos the thread theme, and this comment, I opened a 2009 Pavelot les Vergelesses 1er last week, which was not generous the first night, in taste-aroma terms, though the texture was coming into that glassy-thin phases that bodes good things. Unfortunately, I caught a cold and haven't been able to get back to it for a couple of nights. If it turns out anything like the 2006, I will be wholly content. I'd guess ready to drink now with a long decant or slow-ox; likely better in another year or two.

I didn't read Pavel's post as saying anything other than he was surprised to find another Rollin wine that he's followed for years drinking well early in 2018. If anything, it was an endorsement of the suggestion in the note that the 2018 Les Vergelesses was drinking well.

My comment responded to Robert's, not Pavel's.

 

[Ian Fitzsimmons]

originally posted by robert ames:
"Confused, as usual. Is this a dig at Pernand? Haut-cotes is regional; Les Vergelesses is - I think - just downslope from Isle de Vergelesses, which is a very distinguished Beaune 1er vineyard. Mere 'les' can be quite good: Chandon de Briaille vinifies an excellent exemplar, and Pavelot's can also shine."

my question was because pavel seemed to be lumping les vergelesses in with wines of the hautes cotes in jay's comment regarding the wines of les vergelesses.

"I've been drinking 2018 hautes cotes with some regularity. As I noted in my (unpublished) barrel tasting note, it's the first version of the cuvee since I've started paying proper attention beginning with the 2008 vintage that can and should be enjoyed in its early days. Also pure and delicious."

Yes, I see. Uff da!

Rollin does make a Haut-Cotes that can be delightful, presumably what Pavel associated over to apropos Jay's note on the 'les.' In my limited experience, formerly a good value regional, though I haven't seen its pricing for years now.

 

[Pavel Tchichikov]

originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Rollin does make a Haut-Cotes that can be delightful, presumably what Pavel associated over to apropos Jay's note on the 'les.' In my limited experience, formerly a good value regional, though I haven't seen its pricing for years now.

$30-32 is a good price these days. Arguably no longer a steal, but 7 out of 10 family members have a sentimental attachment.

 

[Jayson Cohen]

originally posted by Jim Hanlon:

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:

originally posted by robert ames:

originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
2014 Jean-Philippe Fichet Auxey-Duresses: Looking at the archives, VLM has posted on Fichet wines many times, but no one else really has. This was typical of the domaine -- lithe and mineral for contemporary white Burgundy, with no overt reduction or oak poking out. The Fichet wines can be a little spendy, although not really in the context of Meursault, but those here who don't know them should take a spin when an opportunity presents. This Auxey is a carefully grown and raised wine, and current vintages retail for $50ish.

amen on the fichet auxey-duresses. . .much better than their bourgogne and bougogne v.v., and so much $$ less than the village meursault. a great wine at that price point.

I have merely dabbled with Fichet over the years. I brought a nice bottle of the 1997 Tessons to dinner last spring. Bought on release from the old Garnet. Excellent. I was also able to back buy at auction in summer 2020 a bottle of 2013 and 2 2014 Auxey at low hammer pricing of $20 and $30 respectively. It’s worth keeping an eye out. I would have thought they need more time, but I could pull a bottle of 2014. I currently have 2019 BB VV in the queue to open.

Jayson, I tend to open white Burgundy young. I'm still gun shy about really aging it. That said, you and I probably both got these bottles from WineBid. If so, they're sound and mine showed no hint of pre-mox. The wine is good now, but will be better in 3-5 years.

The 13s and 14s from Wine Bid. Yes. Per above, the 1997 I bought on release from Garnet in NYC. Circa 2000.

 

[Ian Fitzsimmons]

originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:

originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Rollin does make a Haut-Cotes that can be delightful, presumably what Pavel associated over to apropos Jay's note on the 'les.' In my limited experience, formerly a good value regional, though I haven't seen its pricing for years now.

$30-32 is a good price these days. Arguably no longer a steal, but 7 out of 10 family members have a sentimental attachment.

I haven't made the mental adjustment to $30 as base price for decent Bourgogne.

I guess that means I won't be drinking much Burgundy at all in the out years. But I could be getting shelled right now, so I count my blessings.

 

[Jim Hanlon]

2019 Yohan Lardy Moulin-a-Vent Vieilles Vignes de 1903: A new vigneron for me. I've been looking for a Moulin-a-Vent to cellar. There's Desvignes and Bouland in Morgon. Thivin in Cote de Brouilly. Roilette in Fleurie. Billards in St. Amour. But Moulin-a-Vent has long been considered one of the leading, and most ageworthy, crus, and I don't feel like I have a domaine working with that terroir in my cellar. (I know folks say that Roilette can be more like MaV than Fleurie, but still.) There are the Chateau des Jacques wines from Jadot, but those seem like the elevage is the thing. Every now and then I can buy a JP Brun wine from MaV, but I'd like to find a vigneron who's based in the village. All that windup, and I liked this wine, but don't think my search is over. This is a well made Beaujolais, but in a fruit-forward style. If there's structure and acid for aging, I can't see it through the fruit.

 

[Jeff Grossman]

originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
This is a well made Beaujolais, but in a fruit-forward style. If there's structure and acid for aging, I can't see it through the fruit.

I've got some '14 in storage, maybe it's time to try one.