Michael Lewis
Michael Lewis
Kept longer, yes, but both are ouillé.
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Kept longer, yes, but both are ouillé.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
2010 Maryline et Christophe Billon Côte-Rôtie Les Elotins, weighing in at 13%, failed to please last night, and was all the more disappointing for being a Lyle import, something of import. Smelled like a ton of bricks of new wood and was velveen slick like a con man on a retiree cruise. Had I tasted this blind, I wudda been blindsighted and wudda sworn new world. So it goes.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
originally posted by Michael Lewis:
originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by Michael Lewis:
I continue to think that both the 750ml yellow wax and the 500ml yellow wax are Savagnin ouillé. I suspect the difference is the vines, not the style.
Smaller is kept longer, I feel may discrep.
Pretty sure this is correct. The longer aged wines are bottled in 500. Larry's 2003 spent eight years or so in barrel, I believe. The wax just tells you the cepage, not the elevage.
Kept longer, yes, but both are ouillé.
The difference between the 750 and the 500 no doubt representing the amount that evaporates during the longer elevage despite being ouillé and that explains the oxidative taste.
Ben Hunting
Ben Hunting
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by Michael Lewis:
originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by Michael Lewis:
I continue to think that both the 750ml yellow wax and the 500ml yellow wax are Savagnin ouillé. I suspect the difference is the vines, not the style.
Smaller is kept longer, I feel may discrep.
Pretty sure this is correct. The longer aged wines are bottled in 500. Larry's 2003 spent eight years or so in barrel, I believe. The wax just tells you the cepage, not the elevage.
Kept longer, yes, but both are ouillé.
The difference between the 750 and the 500 no doubt representing the amount that evaporates during the longer elevage despite being ouillé and that explains the oxidative taste.
This is a handy description (in French) of the vieux Savagnin ouillé process:
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Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
Ha, that's the shop near the Cimetière Montparnasse! That place was hell and gone for me, but if for some reason I was in that part of the world, it was a good place to stop in. Their mix of music and wine was unexpected.
Ben Hunting
Ben Hunting
I went there on my last trip to Paris in the summer and was disappointed but their blog is often informative. Oddly, they mostly display empty wine bottles with prices on them, some of which were available in their cellar but almost none of the ones I asked about.
On another thread I mentioned a good wine shop in Parma that also sells hi-fi equipment!
On another thread I mentioned a good wine shop in Parma that also sells hi-fi equipment!
Michael Lewis
Michael Lewis
Google translate (which, I recognize, is the crudest of tools, but sometimes a guy needs a little help) translates "ouillé" as "ouch".
Zachary Ross
Zachary Ross
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
originally posted by Michael Lewis:
Google translate (which, I recognize, is the crudest of tools, but sometimes a guy needs a little help) translates "ouillé" as "ouch".
That would be its accentless form.
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
originally posted by Ben Hunting:
I went there on my last trip to Paris in the summer and was disappointed but their blog is often informative. Oddly, they mostly display empty wine bottles with prices on them, some of which were available in their cellar but almost none of the ones I asked about.
Ugh, I hate when stores do that.
In that neighborhood, La Cave des Papilles is the place.
Michael Lewis
Michael Lewis
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
In that neighborhood, La Cave des Papilles is the place.
Chelsea stopped in here last time she was in Paris and walked out with a bottle of 2011 Domaine de l'Octavin Pamina La Mailloche, which turned out to be one of the better bottles of wine I drank in 2014.
Michael Lewis
Michael Lewis
originally posted by Zachary Ross:
originally posted by Michael Lewis:
Google translate (which, I recognize, is the crudest of tools, but sometimes a guy needs a little help) translates "ouillé" as "ouch".
The truth hurts.
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In the lingua Franca:
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Yes, I do know what it means; I just thought it was funny to read about how some of Houillon's wines are ouch.
But Sharon has explained how Google erred.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
2012 Clos de la Roilette was frooty and gluggable and, while devoid of specific gravity, had a lower evaporation point than most liquids in its state.
Ben Hunting
Ben Hunting
Not 2002 Huet, but on New Year's Eve in London, a premoxed bottle of the 2000 Jardins Esméraldins Genèse Blanc. I'd been excited to try this producer...
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
Passed by Chambers on the way "home" and saw that the excellent Candela Prol womanning a tasting, so in we go. The first two were beauties: 2013 Eva Fricke Rheingau Riesling Trocken $19.99 (deliciously tangy acidity perfectly balanced by gotta-love-it fruit at a ridiculous price for the quality) and NV Bermejos Espumoso Listan Negro Rosado $29.99 from the Canaries, the perfect unpretentious yet lip-smacking sparkler. Then a rather dilute tasting 2013 La Clarine Farms Sierra Foothills Jambalaya Rouge (three red grapes mixed with lots of Marsanne) $21.99, followed by a quite nice 2012 Roccalini Langhe Nebbiolo, eminently drinkable already, though still mouth-puckerlingly tannic (causing prune tongue); excellent cost/benefit. For those within striking distance of the store, the first two alone are worth facing the soggy weather for. Go, now!
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Almost real timePassed by Chambers on the way "home" and saw that the excellent Candela Prol womanning a tasting, so in we go. The first two were beauties: 2013 Eva Fricke Rheingau Riesling Trocken $19.99 (deliciously tangy acidity perfectly balanced by gotta-love-it fruit at a ridiculous price for the quality) and NV Bermejos Espumoso Listan Negro Rosado $29.99 from the Canaries, the perfect unpretentious yet lip-smacking sparkler. Then a rather dilute tasting 2013 La Clarine Farms Sierra Foothills Jambalaya Rouge (three red grapes mixed with lots of Marsanne) $21.99, followed by a quite nice 2012 Roccalini Langhe Nebbiolo, eminently drinkable already, though still mouth-puckerlingly tannic (causing prune tongue); excellent cost/benefit. For those within striking distance of the store, the first two alone are worth facing the soggy weather for. Go, now!
Go, go, go! Yay, Oswaldo. Bringing the sports back to the WD.
I meself lunched and dinned with French friends who live in Moscow (one of whom is a Russian friend who lives in Moscow, but I'm painting with a broad brush), so naturally, we had some Anglore Tavel (which, mwaaa), and some lesser Burgundies of white and red, which I must meditate on before posting on.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
Anglore rosés come with a "good time or your money back" guarantee.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
Loved Andy Knauss’s Without All (Senza Niente, in Swabian) but didn't care so much for his regular Trollinger, the one that comes in a liter bottle. To break the tie, yesterday we took some of his white boys out for a spin.
2012 Andy Knauss Württemberg Riesling Sekt Zero 12.2%
With sektarian violence, the foam came roaring out of the bottle, fast and furious, despite steady bottle handling and gentle uncorking; lost 5% of the contents right there. Perhaps the logic being followed is flawed, but I would have expected zero dosage to bring forth less froth. But, despite this juvenile surfeit of pearly excitability, it smelled lovely, and thusly tasted; not airhead lovely, well-read, somebody-at-home, bone dry, minerally lovely; could drink this kink-free bubbly All Day, and All of the Night. And, as with all zero sekt relationships, no precautions needed.
2012 Andy Knauss Württemberg Riesling G 12.0%
A bird of a different feather despite the same father. Even richer nose, or perhaps merely more detectable without the stream of bubbles to swerve in search of the underlying goods. A lovely, honeysuckle, hay and floral aroma, of a piece with the golden delicious color. Beautiful weight, luscious without girth. Alas, it wasn't flawless: more acidity would have made me happier; but this will do well for the nonce.
In conclusion, and without collusion, I believe this Knauss is worth following, and is no figment of the need to pay bills.
ps: at the risk of tmi, the aura of the word Knauss takes me back to the sleek, menacing, and frighteningly beautiful Gneisenau, a German WWII battleship that was the terror of Atlantic merchant shipping in the early forties, alongside the Bismarck and others of its ilk.
2012 Andy Knauss Württemberg Riesling Sekt Zero 12.2%
With sektarian violence, the foam came roaring out of the bottle, fast and furious, despite steady bottle handling and gentle uncorking; lost 5% of the contents right there. Perhaps the logic being followed is flawed, but I would have expected zero dosage to bring forth less froth. But, despite this juvenile surfeit of pearly excitability, it smelled lovely, and thusly tasted; not airhead lovely, well-read, somebody-at-home, bone dry, minerally lovely; could drink this kink-free bubbly All Day, and All of the Night. And, as with all zero sekt relationships, no precautions needed.
2012 Andy Knauss Württemberg Riesling G 12.0%
A bird of a different feather despite the same father. Even richer nose, or perhaps merely more detectable without the stream of bubbles to swerve in search of the underlying goods. A lovely, honeysuckle, hay and floral aroma, of a piece with the golden delicious color. Beautiful weight, luscious without girth. Alas, it wasn't flawless: more acidity would have made me happier; but this will do well for the nonce.
In conclusion, and without collusion, I believe this Knauss is worth following, and is no figment of the need to pay bills.
ps: at the risk of tmi, the aura of the word Knauss takes me back to the sleek, menacing, and frighteningly beautiful Gneisenau, a German WWII battleship that was the terror of Atlantic merchant shipping in the early forties, alongside the Bismarck and others of its ilk.
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well, it *is* 2012, which doesn't mean it always feels like it could use more acidity; only that it has days or weeks when it does.
then again, there is 2012+1
my favourite zero story comes from a very pointy day - i popped a bottle prior to dinner in august but we did not finish before transitioning to 88 hune, 88 chave, some properly aged coche-dury, 75 l'evangile, 64 poyferre and other things i don't even want to mention; that i could enjoy the zero after or in-between any of these wines, on account of it being fully orthogonal, was one of those great moments when you realize you know shit about wine
then again, there is 2012+1
my favourite zero story comes from a very pointy day - i popped a bottle prior to dinner in august but we did not finish before transitioning to 88 hune, 88 chave, some properly aged coche-dury, 75 l'evangile, 64 poyferre and other things i don't even want to mention; that i could enjoy the zero after or in-between any of these wines, on account of it being fully orthogonal, was one of those great moments when you realize you know shit about wine