Happy New Year!

So this is the thread about wine? Amazing. I had assumed you guys'd be talking about 19th century sailboats and the proper spelling of lolcats at this point.

Anyway, we drank '02 Huet Petillant, '90 Raffault Picasses, and '04 Eddie Feraud Chateauneuf. I had a cold, so all I can say is that the first one was different from the other two. My dining companions, however, really enjoyed the Raffault.

Levi, how was the Engel?
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Bill Buitenhuys:
I bought some '05 Gallet based on JLL recommendations but haven't tasted yet.
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I used to like Gallet, but post 2000 or 2001 the winemaking changed and he lost me. Haven't tasted recent vintages.
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Two Gallets. People might be talking about one, the other, both?
 
originally posted by Chris Coad:
originally posted by VLM:

I don't really buy Cote-Rotie any more. Well, maybe a bit of Eric's. I bought Levet in 2001, but I dedicate almost all of my syrah money to Allemand. Gonon as well as Eric's St. Croix St. Josephs are on my radar now.

I used to buy Jamet, Ogier, Barge, Gallet, and Lafoy et Gasse.

I'd be interested in who is doing good work these days.
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Everything VLM says holds true for me as well.
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Me, too.

Is anyone doing good work there these days and making wines that costs no more than good Cornas? Anyone?

Anyone tried Jasmin lately?
 
I'll open a 2004 tonight (if I can find it) and report back.

On edit: couldn't find a 2005, but I found a 500 of 2004.
 
originally posted by Bwood:
originally posted by Chris Coad:
originally posted by VLM:

I don't really buy Cote-Rotie any more. Well, maybe a bit of Eric's. I bought Levet in 2001, but I dedicate almost all of my syrah money to Allemand. Gonon as well as Eric's St. Croix St. Josephs are on my radar now.

I used to buy Jamet, Ogier, Barge, Gallet, and Lafoy et Gasse.

I'd be interested in who is doing good work these days.
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Everything VLM says holds true for me as well.
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Me, too.

Is anyone doing good work there these days and making wines that costs no more than good Cornas? Anyone?

Anyone tried Jasmin lately?
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I never really liked Jasmin as much as you and Jim.

It is pretty easy to be cheaper than Allemand these days.
 
originally posted by mlawton:
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Bill Buitenhuys:
I bought some '05 Gallet based on JLL recommendations but haven't tasted yet.
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I used to like Gallet, but post 2000 or 2001 the winemaking changed and he lost me. Haven't tasted recent vintages.
Click to expand...

Two Gallets. People might be talking about one, the other, both?
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I'm talking about the Gallet with the happy redneck in yellow on the front.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by mlawton:
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Bill Buitenhuys:
I bought some '05 Gallet based on JLL recommendations but haven't tasted yet.
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I used to like Gallet, but post 2000 or 2001 the winemaking changed and he lost me. Haven't tasted recent vintages.
Click to expand...

Two Gallets. People might be talking about one, the other, both?
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I'm talking about the Gallet with the happy redneck in yellow on the front.
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Ditto.
 
originally posted by VLM:

I never really liked Jasmin as much as you and Jim.

It is pretty easy to be cheaper than Allemand these days.
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I liked some of the Jasmin wines fairly young. The ones with some age on them haven't seemed particularly appealing lately. But my sample is limited to mid-to-late-90's wines. Cote Rotie fell off my radar screen around the '99 vintage.

Henri Gallet is the one with the farmer on it, right? Of the bretty-but-honest school? I haven't tried any of his wines since the '99s.

What happened with Ogier?
 
originally posted by Bill Buitenhuys:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by mlawton:
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Bill Buitenhuys:
I bought some '05 Gallet based on JLL recommendations but haven't tasted yet.
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I used to like Gallet, but post 2000 or 2001 the winemaking changed and he lost me. Haven't tasted recent vintages.
Click to expand...

Two Gallets. People might be talking about one, the other, both?
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I'm talking about the Gallet with the happy redneck in yellow on the front.
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Ditto.
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Henri and Phillipe then....http://www.domainegallet.com/

I'm sorry, I was confused. 2 Vernays. One Gallet. Carry on.
 
originally posted by mlawton:
I'll open a 2004 tonight (if I can find it) and report back.

On edit: couldn't find a 2005, but I found a 500 of 2004.
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And it's delicious. Still showing very young, all sweet jam and tannin. Great to smell. If you like your Cote Rotie to show fruit, this is a very good one right now.

The country gentleman mentioned Ogier. Dad (Michel) made great wine. Stephane has bought some new oak barrels. He uses them on the Belle Helene (a lot) and on the regular Cote Rotie (less). The oak is definitely noticable in the young wines. In bigger years (1999, 2005), it might be OK with time. I didn't like the way the 2000 and 2002 were heading so those went away to a more appreciative home. I still have hope for the 2001, 2004 and the aforementioned 1999 and 2005. I never had any hope for the 2003 (from them or anyone).

Of the "cuvees", I have liked the Lancement a lot and L'Ame Soeur is a nice wine (much nicer than its neighbor from the three amigos - Sotanum). La Rosine remains a nice wine to drink young, I don't like how it ages. I'm not a fan of Belle Helene, but I can understand it's appeal to others.

Others I've liked are Vernay, some Gaillard (not "Cuvee Unique") but the regular and Rose Pourpre were nice in the late 90s/early 00s, less so in the later 00s, a couple of years of JM Stephan but not consistently. I don't like Clusel-Roch or Gerin or Rostaing or Guigal or Delas or Gangloff.
 
I liked Faury's 2006 Cote-Rotie at a tasting last month. Feminine, aromatic, and light-bodied, with nary a funky stem aroma to be found. It's a bit floral and probably not for the viognier-adverse, but there is plenty of savory goodness as well. I thought it was lovely.

At the same tasting, the 2005 Levet Cote-Rotie 'Le Chavaroche' was astonishly pure and deep but clearly not for current consumption.

Elsewhere in the n-rhone, I loved Bernard Gripa's 2004 St. Joe and would happily try subsequent vintages. But I've not come across them.
 
originally posted by mlawton:

The oak is definitely noticable in the young wines. In bigger years (1999, 2005), it might be OK with time. I didn't like the way the 2000 and 2002 were heading so those went away to a more appreciative home. I still have hope for the 2001, 2004 and the aforementioned 1999 and 2005. I never had any hope for the 2003 (from them or anyone).
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I was hugely disappointed by the 2000 on release but I opened my second bottle recently (based on the some positive notes I read) and it was quite good. The oak had mostly integrated and it was showing more Cote-Roti-ish. Still young but much more promising than I had ever expected.

Surprised me.
 
originally posted by mlawton:
La Rosine remains a nice wine to drink young, I don't like how it ages..
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I guess the 'material' is just better when it is fresh. I have a 99 sitting around so perhaps I should drink it soon.
 
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